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Evolution debate: State board should reject pseudoscience
Columbus Dispatch ^ | February 17, 2002 | Editorial

Posted on 02/18/2002 4:59:53 AM PST by cracker

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To: gore3000
So stop making excuses and post the proof here for all to see.

AnswersInGenesis forgot to list the Sergeant Schulz "I see nos-SINK!" argument.

661 posted on 02/24/2002 9:52:23 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
See any of yours in there? I do.

You are very good at insults, but not good at proving them. Exactly which points mentioned there have I mentioned here? None that I can see. In fact, I have explicitly avoided many of the mistakes mentioned there.

662 posted on 02/24/2002 9:57:43 AM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
... said that Pasteur's experiment - the only scientifically acceptable test made of abiogenesis - does not count.

You are so determined to remain in the dark. Pasteur did not test what you creationists call "abiogenesis." He tested his theory that bacteria were responsible for what, back then, ignorant people called "spontaneous generation." Didn't you read the article? (No, of course you didn't.) People used to believe that rats spontaneously appeared in old underwear! Although the creationist websites use Pasteur as one of their favorite talking points, his work had nothing -- absolutely nothing -- to do with your boogyman of abiogenesis. For once in your strange career in these threads, try to learn something. It won't hurt you.

663 posted on 02/24/2002 10:00:05 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: gore3000
None that I can see. In fact, I have explicitly avoided many of the mistakes mentioned there.

Have you avoided them all or haven't you?

Hows about: ‘Natural selection as tautology’ ; ‘Evolution is just a theory.’ ; ‘Creationists believe in microevolution but not macroevolution.’

I got a tingle on ‘Archaeopteryx is a fraud’ too but won't swear up front that it was you on that one.

664 posted on 02/24/2002 10:37:49 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: gore3000
BTW - this discussion is of course purely for amusement since DNA evidence has already shown that whales are not related to hippos as evolutionists have claimed using "evidence" similar to the one presented by you and other evolutionists in this discussion.

Still waiting for you to source this or back off. It's wrong.

665 posted on 02/24/2002 10:42:22 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: lexcorp
Woo hoo! I got post 666!

Your prise is a 3-week ocean cruise, locked up in a cabin with f.Christian and g3k as your sole source of conversation.

669 posted on 02/24/2002 11:16:16 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: AndrewC
Would lightning fill the bill?

On earth, lightning removes oxygen from the air by combining it with nitrogen.

670 posted on 02/24/2002 12:04:54 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: gore3000
I repeat: Science is important, and faith is important. Can you imagine where we would be without them? Let them be.

If your faith is strong, you won't have to try and prove anything to anyone. I have no compulsion to try to do something like that. Science is science. Faith is faith. Why would you degrade your relationship with God by trying to define it as anything else?

671 posted on 02/24/2002 12:09:37 PM PST by eaglebeak
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To: gore3000
...science where is the proof of the theory of evolution?

Your appendix. The hips and vestigal legs of modern whales. Mutation-Natural Selection explains these in a straightforward manner. No other theory does.

672 posted on 02/24/2002 12:15:13 PM PST by Virginia-American
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To: Virginia-American
On earth, lightning removes oxygen from the air by combining it with nitrogen.

Not to mention all the oxygen it removes by starting fires. I further believe that lightning seldom if ever penetrates into bodies of water or otherwise does electrolysis. Falling water is not grounded and grounded water is outside the current flow, which is from the highly charged surface and the oppositely charged cloud region.

We can be sure that there was little oxygen in the atmosphere on earth until life got started, notwithstanding all the lightning. All the banded iron formations date from before the oxygen levels of the atmosphere rose. They couldn't form and haven't formed since.

673 posted on 02/24/2002 12:28:54 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
For lightning afficionados: A NASA Primer.
674 posted on 02/24/2002 12:40:48 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Virginia-American
On earth, lightning removes oxygen from the air by combining it with nitrogen.

Very good. But then what should be the constituents of a lifeless atmosphere, where liquid water is present along with lightning and of course a sun?

675 posted on 02/24/2002 1:26:02 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: gore3000
All that Andrew C was saying was that "replicas" are not evidence.

No, that is not what I am saying. When a replica is used, one should state what it is. It is then up to the person judging the validity of the argument whether to accept the item as evidence or not. When a replica is presented as evidence and not so designated it speaks about the presenter, either the presenter has been duped, has not checked his/her source, or is plain lying. Pick one.

676 posted on 02/24/2002 1:41:25 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Nebullis
What's your theory?

God did it. We haven't figured out how. As you all like to point out, the evidence has been destroyed.

677 posted on 02/24/2002 1:45:09 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
God did it. We haven't figured out how. As you all like to point out, the evidence has been destroyed.

Without evidence, as you know, "God did it" is an article of faith, not a theory. But I think there's plenty of evidence lying around as to how it was done. More than enough to support the theory of evolution. (And no evidence for any other theory.)

678 posted on 02/24/2002 1:54:54 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: gore3000
You seem to think that mammary glands are the sole arbiter of what may or may not be a mammal. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. All mammals share some things in common, mammary glands being only one of those features. Mammals also have some sort of hair or fur (sparse in some cases, heavy in others), differentiated dentiture, a like number of holes in their heads and the ear bones in internal ears. Just so happens that in modern animals, all the critters who share the latter features also have mammary glands. Of course you can pull a medved and scream "things were different in the old days! And four out of five makes you a lizard!" But then you'd be flying in the face of evidence, which is pretty much what you do anyway.
679 posted on 02/24/2002 2:03:22 PM PST by Junior
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To: AndrewC
God did it. We haven't figured out how. As you all like to point out, the evidence has been destroyed.

You'd think that's bullet-proof enough to handle abiogenesis, the Big Bang . . . Anything! Maybe God made the Big Bang so perfect He hasn't needed to intervene since.

Somebody (at the Washington Times, IIRC) wrote that Ed Asner may or may not be a proveable communist, but when Castro moves in this country, Ed Asner runs out in front and knocks people down. You block for gore3000, Babylon, the loony anti-science crowd.

680 posted on 02/24/2002 2:05:20 PM PST by VadeRetro
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