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Should Men Still Be Expected to Pay for Dates?
CNSNews.com ^ | February 14, 2002 | Glenn Sacks

Posted on 02/14/2002 8:36:55 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen

It's not the most romantic subject for Valentine's Day, but the unfair expectation that men must pay for dates, which came under commendable feminist attack during the 1970s, is, surprisingly, almost as strong today as it was before women's liberation. There are several standard justifications given for not splitting the check:

Justification #1: "Women have to spend more on clothes, shoes, perfume, etc., so it's only fair that men pay."

It's true that women's clothes, shoes, etc., can cost considerably more than men's, but men who date must reciprocate by having a presentable car and a presentable place to live, both of which are far more expensive. After all, a marriage-age man who lives at home is considered undesirable, but did you ever see a man turn down a promising date because she lived with mom and dad or drove an old junker? I didn't think so.

Justification #2: "Men make more money than women do for the same job."

Fortunately, this isn't true. Studies by liberal (AFL-CIO), dissident feminist (The Independent Women's Forum), and conservative (Hoover Institution) organizations have found that single men do not earn more than single women. The gender wage gap is caused by the career sacrifices that mothers make for their children, and the personal sacrifices fathers make (longer work weeks, more hazardous jobs, etc.) in order to earn the money to support those same children. Neither of these is generally an issue in dating.

Justification #3: "I'm old-fashioned. I expect the man to pay because it's chivalrous."

The problem is that many men have come to hear this as "I'm old fashioned when it suits me. When it doesn't, well, that's a different story." After all, what would a modern woman say if her date said "I'm old-fashioned. I expect the woman to do all the cooking and dishes"?

Justification #4: "Whoever asks for the date should pay."

And who is always expected to ask? Need I ask?

Justification #5: "Well, if men expect to get something, they should expect to pay for it."

It is Neanderthal for a man to expect to "get something" simply because he has paid for a date. Also, since women enjoy sex as much as men do, even if a woman does have sex with a man "because he paid" it's still unfair to the man because he's paying for the privilege of doing something which is mutually pleasurable.

Justification #6: "It's just easier this way."

This claim certainly has merit. The rise of feminism demolished many of society's rules and traditions, usually for the better. But when it comes to dating, nobody really knows what the rules are anymore, and in this confusion often both men and women find it easier to fall back on tradition.

Enough! The obligation of a man to pay can wound a budding relationship by placing money and one-sided expectations where love and honesty should be. In addition, its innate unfairness hinders the uneasy rapprochement men and women are currently negotiating after three decades of gender conflict. In the long run, abolishing this outmoded social convention will benefit both men and women. And what's fair is fair.

Oh, and guys, be sure not to order the most expensive item on the menu, OK?
Glenn J. Sacks




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To: Texaggie79
Heck, I say make the woman pay. But then, according to our resident supermodel, I'm a bully.
21 posted on 02/14/2002 9:07:59 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: RLK
And you are the prize of the litter because????
22 posted on 02/14/2002 9:10:14 AM PST by Neets
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To: Tennessee_Bob
according to our resident supermodel

Who dat?

23 posted on 02/14/2002 9:10:59 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Destructor
It was an ironic joking remark, you just didn't get it.
24 posted on 02/14/2002 9:11:39 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: Stand Watch Listen
My boyfriend and I have a simple solution. It's called, "Whoever's payday it is, pays." Luckily, we both get paid every two weeks, but they are opposite, so it's even.
26 posted on 02/14/2002 9:13:41 AM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Stand Watch Listen
I think men have a good deal. We pay for dinner, they give birth. Seems like a reasonable division to me.
27 posted on 02/14/2002 9:13:44 AM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: Stand Watch Listen
What's a date?
28 posted on 02/14/2002 9:15:03 AM PST by texpat72
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Believe it or not, the real problem is that women I've dated aren't terribly impressed with a nice guy.

Then when I hear stories about previous or subsequent boyfriends and learn about how awful these guys are, I wonder what the h#ll these women were thinking.

30 posted on 02/14/2002 9:16:17 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Sir Gawain
Oh, I'd rather not say. She'll make herself known if she sees this. Of course, I'll probably get another freepmail accusing me of being a bully.
31 posted on 02/14/2002 9:17:39 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: mackattack
Many of you are becoming big sissies right before our eyes.

LOL! Alberta's Child hereby volunteers to accept the mantle of FreeRepublic's Official Sissy.

Take this, all you Clymers out there!


32 posted on 02/14/2002 9:19:23 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
wonder what the h#ll these women were thinking.

Don't feel alone in that, brother. I've noticed the same thing.

33 posted on 02/14/2002 9:20:11 AM PST by Tennessee_Bob
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To: Stand Watch Listen
YES.

Men should still be expected to pay for dates, and women should return to their intended role of "woman."

Our society is proof of what vile harvest is reaped when women demand the "right" to abort inconvenient fetuses, and vie for a man's role in the workforce instead of mothering their un-aborted children at home.

There is a master plan, and we all have a place in it, and when we choose to rebel against that plan, we pay a price more dear than we could have imagined.

We are paying it now. In spades.

34 posted on 02/14/2002 9:20:47 AM PST by Gargantua
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To: cajungirl
"It was an ironic joking remark, you just didn't get it."

Yeah, sure. I'll bet life with you is a living Hell!

35 posted on 02/14/2002 9:20:47 AM PST by Destructor
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To: mackattack
Many of you are becoming big sissies right before our eyes.

Sissies? SISSIES? You better watch out or I'm going to tell my mother on you! LOL

36 posted on 02/14/2002 9:23:44 AM PST by Just another Joe
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To: cajungirl
sounds like someone has forgotten a few birthday's himself!!
37 posted on 02/14/2002 9:24:07 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"Should Men Still Be Expected to Pay for Dates?"

Why not? I have to pay for figs and raisins already.

38 posted on 02/14/2002 9:24:18 AM PST by BlueLancer
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To: RLK
They're not all like that. I'm raising a daughter right now to be a lady. In a few years, there will be one lucky man!!
40 posted on 02/14/2002 9:25:26 AM PST by twigs
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