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Israel asks America to strike western Iraq first, if it decides to fight Saddam
Ha'aretz Daily ^ | Friday, February 08, 2002 Israel Time: 06:01 | By Amir Oren

Posted on 02/07/2002 7:49:22 PM PST by Bronco Buster

Defense Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer paid a visit to the secretive Ness Ziona Biological Institute yesterday.

The Home Front commander, Maj. Gen. Yosef Mishlav, said recently that the plan to transfer the Home Front to the Ministry for Public Security has been frozen, so defending the population from nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare is still in the hands of the defense minister.

Ben-Eliezer was accompanied to the institute by an unusually small entourage, to keep a low profile. Presumably, the concern about a possible attack by Iraq, with unconventional payloads delivered by either missiles or planes, was one of the main subjects in the briefing given the minister by his hosts.

According to security sources participating in Israeli preparations for a possible American move on Iraq, any decision by President George W. Bush about when to attack Iraq depends on three main elements: building the case against Saddam, including charges and evidence; identifying an alternative ruler to replace Saddam; and building up the forces that will execute the planned attack.

The defense establishment here believes that the Bush administration has given up trying to find an Iraqi version of Afghanistan's Northern Alliance, so Washington is busy studying intelligence profiles of top Iraqi army commanders who could take control in Baghdad concurrent with or immediately after the start of an American campaign. In a U.S. attack, Saddam won't hurry to attack Israel, say defense sources, because, among other reasons, he won't want to expose the weaponry that he managed to hide - and deny he had - over the past decade.

The sources note that unlike the spring of 1990, when Saddam was already threatening to "burn half of Israel" (before he invaded Kuwait) if attacked, no such threats toward Israel have been coming out of Baghdad.

However, should Saddam conclude that the Americans are about to topple him, he'll try to attack Israel with a barrage of missiles or airplanes. Topping Israel's worries are a possible ground-to-ground missile attack, with chemical or biological payloads.

The defense establishment reckons that much lower on the list of possibilities would be Iraq sending pilots on suicide missions, whether to drop non-conventional payloads, or to crash their planes. The loyalty of Iraqi pilots to Saddam, and their readiness to die for him, while his regime is crumbling, is not at all the same as that of Japanese kamikaze pilots, who were ready to die for their emperor at the end of World War II.

In contacts between Israeli and American defense officials over the past few weeks, the Pentagon's representatives were asked to plan their operations in Iraq in such a way as to minimize the Iraqi ability to move missile launchers into western Iraq, from which missiles can reach Israel.

The Americans were told that Israel expects them to conduct operations, including on the ground, in western Iraq from the start of a campaign, and not to wait until Iraq starts launching missile attacks on Israel, as happened in 1991. Israeli officials say they believe the Pentagon will accede to this request.

The Pentagon meanwhile is very interested in technologies, weapons systems, and military doctrines developed in Israel over the past few years. In meetings in Washington with top defense officials and representatives of the Israeli defense establishment, led by Defense Ministry Director-General Amos Yaron, and including the head of weapons development and technology infrastructure Maj. Gen. Dr. Yitzhak Ben-Israel, videos were shown demonstrating examples of Israel's policy of "pinpoint targeting" in the territories. The emphasis was on combat helicopter attacks that caused no collateral damage to anything other than the target, even if many civilians were in the area.

American officers, from both the air force and special operations, visited Israel to learn about "pinpoint targeting" from IDF special operations commanders in the territories. Among other things, the Americans wanted to know about long-distance assassinations, along the lines of the operation - to kill Saddam Hussein - that foreign reports said was being rehearsed at the time of the Tze'elim 2 accident. The Americans were offered Israeli assistance in many areas, including inoculations against anthrax.

Along with the focus on Iraq, the defense establishment is keeping a close eye on developments in Iran. According to the latest Military Intelligence estimate, an event at Tarbit Madras University in Tehran a week ago, may be significant. Attended by government officials, including an adviser to Iranian President Muhamed Hatami, parliamentarians, and academic experts, the event was devoted to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Most of the speakers opposed the conservative policy of the Iranian spiritual leader Ali Hamani and demanded moderation of the government line against Israel, a line that is more extreme than the Palestinians.

Military Intelligence's estimate appears to strengthen the position that Mossad chief Ephraim Halevy publicly stated last month when he said that there is hope for moderation in the Iranian regime.


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To: concerned about politics
I think you missed the point.

Israel is not asking the US to attack Iraq. In this article the request is along the line of... If you attack Iraq then endevour to keep the Iraqi scuds from within range of Israel.

... the Pentagon's representatives were asked to plan their operations in Iraq in such a way as to minimize the Iraqi ability to move missile launchers into western Iraq, from which missiles can reach Israel.

America will act on Iraq regardless of what Israel or any other country wants when America decides that it's in America's interest to do so.

21 posted on 02/07/2002 8:52:43 PM PST by anapikoros
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To: Carry_Okie
"Seeing as I am an American citizen, do I get to pick a few choice spots?"

That's what my wife says when I come back from a bank.

22 posted on 02/07/2002 8:56:39 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: Lazarus Long, bobby777
Either way. Nukes or no nukes Iraq has seriously dangerous weapons.
23 posted on 02/07/2002 9:20:19 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: laconas
BTW, what they still haven't won the war against the teenage stone throwers.

Because it never fought one. Israel has fought skirminshes with groups armed with guns or molotov cocktails using stone-throwers for cover.

Israel could expell the arabs or indiscriminately slaughter any assaulant, even those with stones. It hasn't because Israelis want to be better than that.

25 posted on 02/07/2002 9:25:59 PM PST by rmlew
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To: concerned about politics
Actually, it sounds like the only way to keep Israel from nuking Baghdad first, is if we take out the areas that Iraq launches stuff from. Eliminate that, and we give Israel no excuse to shoot back right away....(which I wish we would just let them go and do it!!)
26 posted on 02/07/2002 9:29:24 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: concerned about politics
Now I don't care for that. It's like Israel is saying we're it's personal weapon....
"Hey, go get these guys next! Heh heh heh." We're fighting terrorists that attacked, and may someday attack again , the United States.
Israel needs to understand we're not fighting THEIR war. Bush needs to do what's best for America first.

What you fail to consider is that Israel is actually HELPING the US by articulating a method that will keep Israel out of the fight. It IS in the best interests of the US if Israel doesn't become involved.

27 posted on 02/07/2002 9:35:31 PM PST by Optimist
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To: Bronco Buster
I don't understand why we are talking about targeting Iraq at all. What does Iraq have to do with Al Qaeda? Bush's poppa got us all worked up about Saddam, and never followed through and got him. Now Bush Junior is going to get us worked up about this guy again? Shouldn't we focus our energies on avenging 9-11 by going after Bin Laden and the other perpetrators? Why this change of focus?
29 posted on 02/07/2002 9:41:06 PM PST by codeword
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To: Bogey78O
I hope massively so and not just Iraq. It is now or when it will be much worse. It is interesting that the effete snobs of Europe who have thousands of excuses for appeasing Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini are embarked on the same course vis a vie arab terrorists.
32 posted on 02/07/2002 9:50:36 PM PST by Righty1
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To: American in Israel
It makes a lot of sense to start with something. It would take a while to deploy the necessary hardware. Maybe we should expand the no-fly zone into western Iraq as a beginning?
33 posted on 02/07/2002 9:56:46 PM PST by GeronL
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To: concerned about politics
Here is the scenario:

We attack but we don't go after the SCUDS in the west first and they launch them at Israel. Israel responds with heavy attacks and Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Kuwait tell us to get the hell out of their territory.

US vs Iraq becomes US vs Iraq, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait probably Turkey.....

AND the oil is cut off....

Would this be a good scenario or a bad one?

34 posted on 02/07/2002 9:59:40 PM PST by GeronL
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To: codeword
what does it have to do with Al Quaeda?

probably nothing. So what? This is a war on terrorism, not a war on Al Quaeda... got it?

36 posted on 02/07/2002 10:03:21 PM PST by GeronL
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To: laconas
They have been there since 1967, and they have yet to succeed in their quest to create a Greater Israel

Israel has been there, officially, since 1947 not 67 and they have no desire for Greater Israel.

37 posted on 02/07/2002 10:04:45 PM PST by GeronL
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To: laconas
mono-ethnic theocratic state

huh? Israel has citizens from all over the world, including Ethiopia and Russia. There are citizens that are Christian and Muslim too. It even has muslims in the Parliament. What are you talking about?

38 posted on 02/07/2002 10:06:27 PM PST by GeronL
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To: codeword
I don't understand why we are talking about targeting Iraq at all.

It's war declared on America by the Axis of Evil through sponsoring overt acts of war. Terrorist Groups of Global Reach [TGOGR] will be eliminated from the planet. The first item on the list is Alqaida. Iraq is on the list as a sponsor of TGOGR. Near the top now that Afghanistan is rejoining civilization. Iran is still on the list, but dropping gradually. Eventually Iran will disappear off the bottom of the list. Iraq is not moving lower on the list. Their choice.

40 posted on 02/07/2002 10:08:08 PM PST by RightWhale
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