I'm not a big Ali fan but I'd wager a lot of money against that bet if it could be made.
But we won't ever see such fights. So, check out Ali's daughter:
Posted on 01/18/2002 6:44:24 AM PST by philosofy123
CBS broadcasted a big gala party for this pathetic Moslem draft dodger, called Ali. All the Hollywood liberals were falling over each other trying to praise and worship that worthless excuse of human being. He is the Athlet of century as they tell us, and his accomplishment is second to non!
The left over commies have finally got somebody to love after Clinton. Remember a few years back they went crazy about Malcolm X? Does any body realy gives a s--t about Ali's brthday!
Not to mention...she can kick yours (or mine!) too! (She's a boxer, also, right?)
Joe Louis or Rocky Marciano would have beaten this loud mouth overrated show off to a pulp in their prime, hands down!
Even the greats that these two fighters defeated would have had very little trouble putting Casius Clay(Muhammad Ali, my aunt Annie's fanny)out of service.
I'm not a big Ali fan but I'd wager a lot of money against that bet if it could be made.
But we won't ever see such fights. So, check out Ali's daughter:
The left over commies have finally got somebody to love after Clinton. Remember a few years back they went crazy about Malcolm X? Does any body realy gives a s--t about Ali's brthday!
sighnd,
Jerry Quarry
Perhaps you'll be happier over at that "Storm Front" web site.
ANY U.S. citizen called upon to defend his country should have. Many of my kin answered the call during that time with a couple seriously wounded in Viet Nam. Clay would have no more been put in harm's way than any other celebrity who has served. Good boxer, yes, but not my idea of a role model unless you were a member of the Black Panthers.
who's begrudging the draft dodger a birthday?... He along with everyone else is entitled to celebrate a birthday but he sure doesn't deserve national attention over it ! and YES he is a draftdodger!
Different Era.
Maybe if Al Capone had tried harder he could have redeemed himself with help from the same kind of Clinton type enablers that are attempting to shove Cassius Clay down the American public's throat by depicting him as a victim instead of the victimizer.
His choices and his ridiculous "in your face antics" during his celebrity hayday years utterly revolted me.
Now his "groupies" are seeking to reinvent him by telling us he was just a misinformed innocent participant, forget that!
My opinion!
Not wanting to die is not being a coward but being unwilling to put your life on the line for your country, is.
My opinion!
This is what my basic training DI had to say about opinions:
"Opinions are like a certain part of the human anatomy - everyone's got one, and they all stink."
After all, would anyone with more than a third grade education spell as poorly as you did in your comments unless he or she was deliberately engaging in caricature?
Ali was knocked flat on his back in the final round of his first fight with Joe Frazier. He was also knocked down in the 11th round. The media will not show a picture of Ali down. They have falsified that to the extent that sportswriters actually write today that Frazier never beat Ali.Doug Jones, an overweight lightheavyweight, beat the crap out of Ali two fights before Ali supposedly was able to beat Liston.
Henry Cooper, in Ali's next fight, knocked Ali down just as the fourth round ended. Ali then got a rest of over 10 minutes while his corner claimed his glove was torn. Ali suddenly tried to stand up after about four minutes of smelling salts during this 10-minute rest. His cornermen pushed him back down immediately. That showed he would not have been able to answer the bell after the legitimate one minute rest between rounds.
Ali's fights with Liston were fixed. The Muslims from the main mosque in Chicago visited Liston and showed him photos of his wife coming down the steps of his house in Las Vegas and of his mother standing in the aisle of a grocery store in Little Rock, where she lived. Liston forgot how to fight.
Jimmy Young, who Ali's muslim backers forgot to visit, gave Ali a boxing lesson for 15 rounds and laughed in his face while he did it. The media refuses to mention that fight, or even allow a photo to be shown of it.
Ali is the only heavyweight champion in the history of boxing to lose his title to fighter who had only seven professional fights (Leon Spinks). In the fixed return fight, Spinks took cocaine earlier on the evening of the fight--he left for ring without his protector on and had to go back and borrow a sweaty one from lightheavyweight Mike Rossman, who had just fought. Spinks' cornerman, Georgie Benton walked out of the ring after 6 rounds, saying he wanted to be no part of what was going on. Benton's exact words to me, "It was fixed."
Ali was a mediocre heavyweight who struggled with a number of nothing opponents--yet he is sold today BY THE SAME MEDIA THAT SELLS BILL CLINTON as "the greatest of all time."
What horsesh*t.
The story that is always avoided with Ali is the story of the murderous black muslim group that he was connected with. Sonny Liston forgot how to fight after they visited him. (They had killed Malcolm X just before Ali "beat" Liston). They also killed a large number of women and children at a Washington DC Hanafi muslim home which basketball player Abdul Jabbar supported.
Jabbar will never discuss this publicly (he wants to stay alive).
The muslim group Ali was with kill other blacks like flies. They wipe out whole families.
This story will NEVER be told (or even touched) by the big media.
Sports Illustrated and the rest of the media continually run the picture of Ali standing over Liston in their fixed fight.When Ali got back to his corner and they took out his mouthpiece, the first thing he said was, "I think he laid down."
Every former champion (Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney) and every opponent of Ali and Liston(Floyd Patterson, George Chuvalo) said it was an obvious fake.
Longtime sportwriter Jimmy Cannon wrote, "The punch wasn't hard enough to break an egg."
Sports Illustrated brazenly sells, RIGHT IN YOUR FACE, this picture of a FIXED fight.
You will see this picture on every newstand you pass now. THIS IS THE WAY THE BIG MEDIA DOES IT (on much more important subjects).
They repeat and repeat and repeat the SAME lie until it becomes a fact.
The massive sell of Ali is of no interest in itself, but only as a demonstration of how the media sells something once it receives its instructions.
When Ali lost to Joe Frazier he waited until the swelling on the right side of his jaw (from Frazier's left hook) went down-- and then he went on a marathon series of radio and TV talk show appearances where he called Joe Frazier an "Uncle Tom" for accepting an invitation to the White House after the fight. Ali couldn't beat Frazier in the ring, so he went after Frazier in this fashion.The communication was directly to the black community, many of whose members take such statements (directions) as gospel.
Frazier had to pull his kids out of public school and hire 24--hour bodyguards because of the number of death threats he got as a result of Ali's "Uncle Tom" campaign against him.
A few years later, Ali accepted an invitation and went to the White House after his fight with Foreman--but he didn't say anything about his being an "Uncle Tom."
Recently Ali and his shill writer Thomas Hauser published a book titled "Ali: A Spiritual Journey" consisting of "sayings" by the "philosopher" Ali about how one should love his fellow man--which got the expected revolting, sycophantic rave reviews.When NY sportwriter Phil Berger collaborated with Frazier on his recent autobiography--he was told he would never get anything printed again by big media people. The book was attacked in a FRONT PAGE article in USA Today BEFORE it even came out.
WHY?
Because it merely told the facts about Ali's poison toward Frazier as part of telling Frazier's story.
For some strange reason Ali HAS to be sold by the media-- and anyone who knows the facts on Ali and tries to get them out finds out very quickly that the gigantic, phony sell of Ali must not be tampered with.
It is a mystery to me WHY whomever it is who runs things chose Ali to be sold in this fashion.During his career as a fighter Ali was a clownish figure who would do anything to get attention.
What exactly do those who run things have to gain by this ridiculous, unrelenting sell of their Ali?
Once a Washington Post reporter said to me,"Ali is the greatest fighter of all time.""That's very nice," I said. "Why is he the greatest fighter of all time?"
"Because he was against the Viet Nam war," the Washington Post writer answered without hesitation.
"Wouldn't that make Jane Fonda the greatest fighter of all time?" I asked him.
Ali holds the distinction of being the only heavyweight champion in the histsory of boxing to lose his title to a fighter who had only seven professional fights (the magnificent Leon Spinks).And when he won the "title" back by running away and grabbing and holding on for 15 rounds against a kid who had taken cocaine earlier that evening ( and who was so disoriented that he left for ring without his protector and had to go back a borrow a sweaty one from Mike Rossman, and whose cornerman Georgie Benton walked out of the ring and the arena after 6 rounds saying he wanted to be no part of what was going on).
And for that they call him the greatest of all time.
What if Joe Louis or Jack Dempsey lost their title to a novice kid who had only seven professional fights ? And won the "title" back by running away and grabbing and holding on for 15 rounds against the same kid?
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