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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
I promise you, I studied this one.

Satan has you by the testicles on this one NATE. This might be one purpose of your first three day fast. If you sincerely ask God to show you if this is really for today He will do it. It isn't even a really big deal in relation to other experiences he is waiting to give those who will hunger and thirst after righteousness. I must be a witness to you that the gift of the Holy Ghost will give you the tongues experience. I know this as sure as I know anything. NATE get this: bet you never considered the literal interpretation of this verse in light of fasting?

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

181 posted on 01/16/2002 3:40:53 PM PST by vmatt
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To: vmatt; NATE4"ONE NATION"
If you sincerely ask God to show you if this is really for today He will do it. It isn't even a really big deal in relation to other experiences he is waiting to give those who will hunger and thirst after righteousness. I must be a witness to you that the gift of the Holy Ghost will give you the tongues experience

So, does everybody who has the gift of the Holy Ghost speak or pray in tongues? If not, why not?

186 posted on 01/16/2002 5:46:50 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: vmatt
Satan has you by the testicles on this one NATE. This might be one purpose of your first three day fast. If you sincerely ask God to show you if this is really for today He will do it.

I promise I will pray about it.
The "Holy Ghost" was not Christ, but His "in between" until He comes again.
We have no need of the Spirit or those "end times" gifts because HE is with us Himself. Not just His "Spirit."
We do not know Him because of works or signs:
Luke 17:20 - Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, e kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed;

Now either this is a lie (based on my word search for signs) or a mistake, because Christ contradicts this passage with nearly 30 other passages declaring signs, or the kingdom, new covenant, is not made known today with signs.
Clearly to those in this "transition period" (millenial age), signs were a proof:
Matthew 16:3, Mark 16:17 , Mark 16:20 Luke 1:22 , Luke 1:62 ,Luke 21:11 , Luke 21:25, John 2:11 ,John 2:23 , John 3:2 , John 4:48 , John 6:2 , John 7:31 , John 9:16 , John 11:47 , John 12:37 , John 20:30 , Acts 2:19 , Acts 2:22 , Acts 2:43 , Acts 4:30 ,Acts 5:12 , Acts 6:8 , Acts 7:36 , Acts 8:6 , Acts 8:13 ,Acts 14:3 , Acts 15:12 , Romans 15:19 , 1 Corinthians 1:22 , 2 Corinthians 12:12, Hebrews 2:4 .

We have a new way, a new covenant. So apart from works, it can only be attributed to grace.

Hebrews 8:10 This is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 11 And they shall not teach every one his fellow or every one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for all shall know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more."
Hebrews 10:14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. 15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, 16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds," 17 then he adds,I will remember their sins and their misdeeds no more."


The Holy Ghost witnessed these to be true, they were yet to come for these men and the Holy Ghost was their witness to it's truth. But this is HERE now!!! We have Christ with us, not the Holy Ghost confirming a promise, but Christ Himself writing it on our hearts. Not working evidence of the things to come through our flesh!

Revelation 21:3..."Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them; 4 he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away." 5 And he who sat upon the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." Also he said, "Write this, for these words are trustworthy and true." 6 And he said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the fountain of the water of life without payment. 7 He who conquers shall have this heritage, and I will be his God and he shall be my son. 8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."

Verse 6-7 is our promise. This is what we have every day in this new covenant. From God Himself being with us.

I will pray and fast on this. But God will need to HIT ME WITH A FRYING PAN UPSIDE THE HEAD AND MOVE MY LIPS because I will never again mock Him with mimmics of the flesh!

You are a crusader for truth and fight the pervasive current "deception" in the "church".
You have to admit that tongues, is one of the most abused teachings in todays church.

Again, I do not presume to call you a liar or doubt your experience, but I grew up in this.
I all but completely reject it's possibility of being "authentically" God.
194 posted on 01/17/2002 6:12:40 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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