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The Next Reformation? 9.5 Thesis Posted on 'Church Door'!
The Prophecy Reformation Institute ^ | 2001 | John Noe

Posted on 01/14/2002 11:35:19 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"

9.5 Theses for the Next Reformation

Modern-day Reformers Post Document on 'Church Door'

We the undersigned, out of love for the truth and a desire to see all Christians honor and acknowledge all that God has revealed in his Word, submit these 9.5 Theses for your prayerful evaluation and participation with us in calling for further reform. May these theses be the spark that ignites the next Reformation of Christianity.

1. Everything Jesus said would happen, happened exactly as and when He said it would-within the lifetime of his contemporaries.

2. Everything every New Testament writer expected to happen, happened exactly as and when they expected it would-within their lifetime-as they were guided into all truth and told the things that were to come by the Holy Spirit (Jn. 16:13).

3. Scholars across a broad spectrum are in general agreement that this is exactly how every NT writer and the early Church understood Jesus' words. If they were wrong on something this important, how can we trust them to have conveyed other aspects of the faith accurately, such as the requirements for salvation?

4. No inspired NT writer, writing twenty or more years later, ever corrected their Holy-Spirit-guided understanding and fulfillment expectations (Jn. 16:13). Neither should we. Instead, they intensified their language as the "appointed time of the end" (Dan. 12:4; Hab. 2:3) drew near-from Jesus' "this generation" (Mat. 24:34), to Peter's "the end of all things is at hand" and "for it is time for judgment to begin" (1 Pet. 4:7, 17), and John's "this is the last hour . . . . it is the last hour" (1 Jn. 2:18).

5. Partial fulfillment is not satisfactory. 3 out of 5, 7 out of 10, etc., won't work. Partial does not pass the test of a true prophet (Deut. 18:18-22). Again, Jesus time-restricted all of his end-time predictions to occur within the 1st-century time frame.

6. God is faithful (2 Pet. 3:9) and "not a man that he should lie" (Num. 23:19). Faithfulness means not only doing what was promised, but also doing it when it was promised.

7. 1st-century, fulfillment expectations were the correct ones and everything happened, right on time-no gaps, no gimmicks, no interruptions, no postponements, no delays, no exegetical gymnastics, and no changing the meaning of commonly used and normally understood words. Such manipulative devices have only given liberals and skeptics a foothold to discredit Christ's Deity and the inerrancy of Scripture.

8. What needs adjusting is our understanding of both the time and nature of fulfillment, and not manipulation of the time factor to conform to our popular, futuristic, and delay expectations.

9. The kingdom of God was the central teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ, is a present but greatly under-realized reality, and must again become the central teaching of his Church.

9.5. We have been guilty of proclaiming a half-truth-a partially delivered faith to the world and to fellow Christians. We must repent and earnestly "contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3). If Christianity has been as effective as it has by proclaiming that Jesus Christ, the Messiah, came, died for our sins, bodily arose from the dead, and ascended to Heaven "at just the right time" (Rom. 5:6; Dan. 9:24-27), how much more effective might it be if we started preaching, teaching, and practicing the whole truth-i.e., a faith in which everything else also happened "at just the right time," exactly as and when Jesus said it would and every NT writer expected (Jn. 16:13). Dare we continue to settle for less?

Surely today, the words of Martin Luther, as he stood in defense before the Diet of Worms in 1521, are still applicable and compelling for the "always reforming" Church:
"Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Scriptures or by clear reason (for I do not trust either in the pope or in councils alone, since it is well known that they have often erred and contradicted themselves), I am bound by the Scriptures . . . and my conscience is captive to the Word of God . . . . I cannot do otherwise. "

Original Signatories

John Noe, President Prophecy Reformation Institute Indianapolis, Indiana Rick Chromey, Professor of Christian Education Saint Louis Christian College Florissant, Missouri
Edward E. Stevens, President International Preterist Association Bradford, Pennsylvania
Danny Griffin, President Carolina Christian Ministries Charlotte, North Carolina
John Anderson, President Lighthouse World Ministries Sparta, North Carolina
Walter C. Hibbard, Former Founder & Chairman Great Christian Books, Inc. Newark, Delaware
Mike Lightfoot, Pastor Father's House Fellowship Clarkston, Washington
Terry Siverd, Minister Cortland Church of Christ Cortland, Ohio
Kenneth J. Davies, President Grace Ministries Lemon Grove, California
Joseph Lewis, Pastor Fulfilled Bible Fellowship Delair, New Jersey
Jerry Wayne Bernard, Vice President Scripture Research, Inc. Riverside, California
Arthur J. Melanson, President Joy of the Lord Ministry Audubon, New Jersey
Jerry Hester, Pastor Dominion Community Church Greer, South Carolina
Terry M. Hall, Minister Miami Valley Church Beavercreek, Ohio
Gene Fadeley, President Anchor Publishing Charlotte, North Carolina
Rod Moyses, Manager M2ktalk.Com, (internet-satellite radio networks) Fresno, California
Stan Newton, Pastor Missionary to Bulgaria Seattle, Washington
Timothy R. King, Pastor Central Baptist Church Grand Junction, Colorado
Walter Koch, Pastor Emanuel Centro Christiano El Monte, California
Jack C. Scott, Jr., Minister Glacier View Church Kalispell, Montana
A. Wilson Phillips, Pastor Abundant Life Covenant Church Springfield, Missouri
Thomas A. Price, Jr., Pastor Sherman Community Church Sherman, New York
Don K. Preston, Minister Ardmore Church of Christ Ardmore, Oklahoma
David Curtis, Pastor Berean Bible Church Cheasapeake, Virginia
Jessie E. Mills, Jr., Minister Central Church of Christ Bonifay, Florida
Bud Fleisher, Host/Producer "Let's Talk Religion" (radio program) Clearwater, Florida
Ron Smith, President Friendship In Action (mission work in Mexico) Mission,
Texas Bill Clark Brumbaugh, Host Proactive News (nat'l syndicated radio program) Bozeman, Montana
James R. Hopkins, Minister Daleville Church of Christ Daleville, Alabama
William Bell, Minister Raines Road Church of Christ Memphis, Tennessee

Published by the Prophecy Reformation Institute: a conservative, evangelical ministry dedicated to continuing the Reformation into the field of eschatology-end-time Bible prophecy, and the International Preterist Association.

Books for the Next Reformation
· Chilton, David. "The Days of Vengeance." Ft. Worth, TX.: Dominion Press, 1987.
· DeMar, Gary, "Last Days Madness: Obsession of the Modern Church." Atlanta, GA.: American Vision, 3rd ed., 1997.
· *________. "End Times Fiction: A Biblical Consideration of the Left Behind Theology." Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 2001.
· Gentry, Jr., Kenneth L. "Before Jerusalem Fell." Atlanta, GA.: American Vision, revised ed., 1998.
· *Noe, John. "Beyond the End Times: The Rest of . . . The Greatest Story Ever Told. "Bradford, PA.: IPA, 1999.
· *________. "Dead In Their Tracks: Stopping the Liberal/Skeptic Attack on the Bible." Bradford, PA.: IPA, 2001.
· ________. "Shattering the ‘Left Behind’ Delusion." Bradford, PA.: IPA, 2000.
· ________. "The Israel Illusion: 13 Popular Misconceptions about This Modern-day Nation and Its Role in Bible Prophecy. "Fishers, IN.: PRI, 2000.
· ________. Top Ten Misconceptions about Jesus’ Second Coming and the End Times. Fishers, IN.: PRI, 1998.
· Otto, Randell E. "Case Dismissed: Rebutting Common Charges Against Preterism." Bradford, PA.: IPA, 2000.
· Russell, J. Stuart. "The Parousia." Bradford, Pennsylvania: IPA, 2002. Reprint of the second edition originally published by T. Fisher Unwin, in London, England in 1887.
· *Sproul, R.C. "The Last Days According to Jesus. "Grand Rapids: Baker Books, 1998.
· Stevens, Edward E. "Questions About The Afterlife. "Bradford, PA.: IPA, 1999.
· ________. "What Happened In A.D. 70?" Bradford, PA.: IPA, 6th ed., 2001.
· Terry, Milton S. "Biblical Hermeneutics. "Eugene, OR.: Wipf and Stock Publishers, 1890, 1999.

* (top priority—read first)

FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: John Noe Prophecy Reformation Institute 9715 Kincaid Drive Suite 1100 Fishers, IN 46038
E-mail: jnoe@prophecyrefi.org Ph.# 317-841-7777, Ext. 350 Fax# 317-578-2110

Edward E. Stevens International Preterist Association 122 Seaward Ave. Bradford, PA 16701
E-mail: Preterist1@aol.com Ph.# 1-814-368-6578 Fax# 1-814-368-6030

Be sure to visit our websites: www.prophecyrefi.org. Website: www.preterist.org.

_ Copyright 2001 by John Noe
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To: BibChr
Wow, I must have missed that blessed day.

Did it happen after after 9/11/01?

61 posted on 01/14/2002 2:21:13 PM PST by L,TOWM
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To: Codie, NATE4"ONE NATION"
Does the fact that Protestants can't seem to agree on anything,bother you?

HAHAHAHAHA! Very funny! Who cares if the soliders of Rome all march together if they are heading in the wrong direction.

Which reminds me: Nate, in your position, who is/was(?) the beast and the harlot?

62 posted on 01/14/2002 2:23:05 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
"Only a New Yorker grabs the bull by the horns; and then only once."

Hey I resemble that remark ***GRIN******

Meow

63 posted on 01/14/2002 2:23:32 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle;jerry_m
Only Hymenaen to those who do not understand "context."

I have my response to your damning of my soul with that title.
Jim West was way out of line on that one.
My response to Jim Wests Article
64 posted on 01/14/2002 2:24:08 PM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: freedomcrusader
No, the original "95 Thesis" statements were posted on the UNIVERSITY chapel door at Wittenburg.. as such; they WERE read, copied (due to the invention of the printing press a few years earlier), then distributed throughout the LITERATE world. The Reformation started largely among the intelligentia, but SPREAD rather quickly to other social classes as well.
65 posted on 01/14/2002 2:25:12 PM PST by Biblical Calvinist
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To: RnMomof7
If ya'll cannot present a united front amongst yourselves,why should anyone else believe you?
66 posted on 01/14/2002 2:25:46 PM PST by Codie
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
Bump for a mark.

This may get interesting, if we can do a discussion of ecclesiology and not be overwhelmed by RC bashing posts.

My point is always that the Roman Catholics were the first Protestants. It is understandable thet the monk Luther rebelled against the mess of the western and papal church.

Go East, young man, Go East.

67 posted on 01/14/2002 2:27:47 PM PST by don-o
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
None....they changed it back in A D 70 :)

LOL, LOL!!

I will have to use that one sometime. Thanks!
68 posted on 01/14/2002 2:27:47 PM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
bump
69 posted on 01/14/2002 2:28:23 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: Biblical Calvinist
The Reformation started largely among the intelligentia, but SPREAD rather quickly to other social classes as well.

It would probably be more accurate that it started largely among and spread most quickly among those who had a financial stake in its success -- namely the various little princes in Germany, merchants freed from the Catholic Church's bans on usury, and the faux gentry created by Henry VIII's dissolution of the monasteries.

70 posted on 01/14/2002 2:29:00 PM PST by Squire
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To: RnMomof7
Meow

You are no longer "kitten" with a [tongue like a] whip; you have given that honor to another.

71 posted on 01/14/2002 2:30:56 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
Which reminds me: Nate, in your position, who is/was(?) the beast and the harlot?

The harlot, or Babylon, was Jerusalem of that day.
They were the only one to be called "adulterous" because they were the only one with a "covenant" with God.
72 posted on 01/14/2002 2:31:23 PM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
LOL! Here would be another similar answer:

None. It's already been changed. Just believe.

Dan

73 posted on 01/14/2002 2:32:08 PM PST by BibChr
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
9.5. We have been guilty of proclaiming a half-truth-a partially delivered faith to the world and to fellow Christians. We must repent and earnestly "contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 3)?

Honest question is "Why and how did you find yourself in this sad situation"

If, as you admit, you have lost your way, it seems that you might try to remember where you lost the way.

74 posted on 01/14/2002 2:37:11 PM PST by don-o
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
The harlot, or Babylon, was Jerusalem of that day.

Ok, so who are/were the 7 kings and who is/was the 8th (who is also the beast) and who are/were the 10 horns (kings for an hour)?

And while, you are in charity answering questions, who were the 2 prophets who were raised from the dead and who was the false prophet?

75 posted on 01/14/2002 2:38:36 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
And while, you are in charity answering questions, who were the 2 prophets who were raised from the dead and who was the false prophet?

If only charity gave me all the answers.
I am studying the more difficult symbols and their possibilities to fulfillment always. You happened to ask an easier one the first time.

Again, the how is more difficult than the when. The when was very plainly taught and self explanitory.
76 posted on 01/14/2002 2:42:33 PM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
I find it interesting that on that reading list you would list books by at least two men who would vehemently disagree with your position (Sproul & Gentry).

I have my response to your damning of my soul with that title.

I don't damn your soul. I see nothing wrong with that title. If I spout Gnosticism, call me a Gnostic. (I'll read your response to West tonight)

77 posted on 01/14/2002 2:43:12 PM PST by Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
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To: Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
Sproul disagrees but he respects our position as a more biblical one than any "dispensational" one.
Gentry is in the class of "heretic" labelers but he is the one who convinced me of "partial-preterism" and yet he alone, gave me the desire to see why he himself was filled with inconsistancies.
Gentry alone persuaded me to become a "full-preterist."

I don't damn your soul. I see nothing wrong with that title. If I spout Gnosticism, call me a Gnostic. (I'll read your response to West tonight)

Hymenaeus was a man who strayed from the faith because Paul clearly taught the resurrection as future.
Paul is dead and AD 70 was future of his writing Philipeans.
If I am wrong, yes, I can understand that "label."
But I have not strayed from the faith as Hymenaeus.
78 posted on 01/14/2002 2:48:19 PM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: Codie;CCWoody
We do not hide our differences ..because we believe that personal study and debate (Apologetics) are healthy and lead to truth..ours is not a faith like eastern religions that ask man to turn off his intellect.Being of one mind does not constitute truth..Truth is not found in unanimity, or perhaps not even in consensus

From your first "Pope"

1 Peter 3
14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

79 posted on 01/14/2002 3:07:03 PM PST by RnMomof7
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