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15 year old pilot left note in plane supporting Bin Laden
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Posted on 01/06/2002 12:23:36 PM PST by newsperson999

It was found in the wreckage of the plane in the building.


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To: Don Myers
Our current definition of a terrorist is a person or group that murders and injures innocent people for the sole perpose of gaining personal power. [rule, money, your definition of power here]

By that definition, Bishop could have been just a terrorist wannabe, but that depends on how you interpret his "sympathy" for bin Laden and the 9-11 hijackers. Bishop could just as easily have been expressing his sympathy toward bin Laden and the 9-11 hijackers by expressing his support of their "cause" through a suicide plane bombing. Err...suicide planing. We HAVE to come up with a TERM for that which doesn't sound flip or stupid and I'm not the one to do it.

Anyway, I interpret the evidence of his letter, his association with a flight school that hired a lawyer rather than come clean with the public, combined with his actions on Saturday to mean that he identified with bin Laden and buddies, and he committed an act of terrorism to show his sympathy for their cause. How screwed up he might have been isn't an issue. MOST of the people recruited by al Qaeda seem equally screwed up.

281 posted on 01/07/2002 9:50:33 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Well, it seems to me that flying the plane into a building does nothing to lesse any concern that some people might have on terrorist acts. He did exactly the same thing that the terrorists on 9-11 did. The fact that he did not kill anyone else seems hardly his fault. I think that he committed a terrorist act. And one who commits a terrorist act is a terrorist.
282 posted on 01/07/2002 10:05:57 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: cake_crumb
"How screwed up he might have been isn't an issue"

...On the other hand, it IS an issue. If we could identify screwed up kids as possibly at risk for being brainwashed by terrorist groups, we might be able to help them before they do something stupid...but that would be profiling.

283 posted on 01/07/2002 10:06:31 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: Don Myers
"The fact that he did not kill anyone else seems hardly his fault. I think that he committed a terrorist act. And one who commits a terrorist act is a terrorist"

I do, too. Unfortunately, whether to prevent public panic, or in order not to be accused of being too gung ho because he was a "troubled boy", this will be played down as a lonely, fatherless kid who committed a spectacular suicide. I just wonder how many OTHER lonely, fatherless kids will get the idea to "commit suicide" in the same spectacular way. If other fatalities are involved, how will it be handled? The same? That sounds too much like selective blindness. One man's terrorist is another man's screwed up kid? Scary thought.

Logging off. Brain cells are at the point of critical mass again.

284 posted on 01/07/2002 10:15:02 AM PST by cake_crumb
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To: newsperson999
Of course. And it survived the crash too! What a coincidence!
285 posted on 01/07/2002 10:33:47 AM PST by Demidog
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To: Don Myers
Is it possible to come up with a definition of a terrorist; for now they definitely have me confused as to what a terrorist is?

Looks like a duck? Arab descent; family name was previously Bishara.

Quacks like a duck? Left note sympathizing with Osama bin Laden and praising September 11 terrorist attack.

Flies like a duck? Straight into Bank of America skyscraper in downtown Tampa, after apparently being diverted from air force base from which the war is being conducted.

You can't tell me the intent to kill others and do "as much damage as possible" was not there. Only difference is, he had much less access to the more powerful weapons that would do greater harm.

I originally didn't consider this a "terrorist" event, until more of the background facts began to emerge. At this point, I've pretty much reclassified it as being essentially a terrorist attack - albeit an immature, ineffective one.

As such, I think I can at least partly add it to the recent Israeli thwarting of a major Islamist attack in Israel for the sake of my (ahem) first prediction for the new year from the predictions thread:

* At least one Islamist terrorist attack will occur or be thwarted between December 31st and January 7th.

286 posted on 01/07/2002 10:44:50 AM PST by butter pecan fan
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To: browardchad
>Exactly. And remember, they issued a "no evidence of terrorism" statement while the airplane that hit Queens was burning before our eyes. I ain't stupid.
288 posted on 01/07/2002 10:46:20 AM PST by SerpentDove
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To: LibertyGirl77
I am actually thankful they were too late. Can you imagine the public reaction if they had shot down a 15-yr-old kid? Regardless of the evidence they could have shown that he had hostile intent, the soccer mom crowd and almost everyone else would lose support for the military FAST. At least this way, his intent was clearly demonstrated, boosting support for the military effort, if anything. It's much more cut and dry this way. Very sad, though.

The CIA already vectors foreign air force pilots to shoot down drug planes - remember the Peruvian shoot-down of that missionary plane?

OTOH, remember Mattias Rust ?

Even the Soviets, with no general aviation to speak of, a (permeable) SAM belt and radar coverage couldn't detect or shoot down Rust. (Now a lot of them were drunk at the console, I know, but still.) I don't think small aircraft shoot-downs are going to become an issue because the damage they can do is limited (and not only from a physical standpoint.)

289 posted on 01/07/2002 10:50:04 AM PST by testforecho
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To: KC_Conspirator
>>I can actually tolerate a conspiracy theorist if they come up with some well thought out ideas or make a their case using facts and logic. <<

How you like this "theory"?

A teenager writes a note sympathetic to Bin Laden and intentionally flies a plane into a building. Theory: he is a terrorist. Just a theory, mind you.

290 posted on 01/07/2002 10:51:41 AM PST by SerpentDove
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To: newsperson999
It was a crime against humanity. Time to start bombing some more muslim civilians.
291 posted on 01/07/2002 11:08:28 AM PST by Pay now bill Clinton
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To: Bisesi
You asked what the children have been taught in schools--it's like teaching him to strengthen something referring to: "self-esteem."

The kid steals a plane, (self-esteem) and slams it into a building, (still his "s-e").

See the point?

292 posted on 01/07/2002 11:11:05 AM PST by poppytpee
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To: cake_crumb
"I just wonder how many OTHER lonely, fatherless kids will get the idea to "commit suicide" in the same spectacular way. "

It could easily happen.

293 posted on 01/07/2002 11:32:41 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: butter pecan fan
Yeah, I think the kid was a duck too. But he is now a roasted duck.
294 posted on 01/07/2002 11:35:31 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: SerpentDove
That not a leap of logic. What is a leap of logic is claiming that the government is behind some huge coverup because this fool kid flew a plane into a building?
295 posted on 01/07/2002 11:36:16 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Don Myers
But he is now a roasted duck

no...since there were apparently no flames... just a dead duck.

296 posted on 01/07/2002 12:24:17 PM PST by butter pecan fan
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To: butter pecan fan
"no...since there were apparently no flames"

He didn't get his gotterdammerrung? No Viking funeral? Just a vain attempt to go out in a blaze of glory? Bummer.

297 posted on 01/07/2002 12:53:41 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: all
I apologize, in advance, for not taking the time to read this entire thread, but I wanted to get straight to my question. Was this boy taking Ritalin, or something similiar?
299 posted on 01/07/2002 1:20:21 PM PST by I_Publius
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To: Don Myers
He didn't get his gotterdammerrung? No Viking funeral? Just a vain attempt to go out in a blaze of glory? Bummer.

Tell me about. Heck, he didn't even get 'roast duck...'

300 posted on 01/07/2002 2:12:02 PM PST by butter pecan fan
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