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SFO Airport Guardsman Shoots Self (in buttocks) When Gun Misfires
KRON News San Francisco ^ | January 5, 2002

Posted on 01/05/2002 4:57:05 PM PST by ElkGroveDan

SFO Guardsman Shoots Self When Gun Misfires

SAN FRANCISCO (KRON) -- There is disturbing news from San Francisco International Airport. KRON 4 has learned that a national guardsman was wounded when his gun accidentally discharged at the airport. It is the first such incident of its kind since the national guard began patroling airports in October.

The incident happened last Friday night shortly after 11, at SFO. Fortunately, the wound was not life threatening and no one else was hit.

Specialist Louis Alvarez and other members of the national guard were going off duty that Friday night. They gathered at the airport's courtyard number one outside the international terminal for a bus ride to their hotel. Alvarez, according to his superiors, was about to unload his 9-milimeter sidearm. Its a safety procedure that soldiers go through before leaving the airport.

To make sure there's no live round in the chamber of a pistol, soldiers fire into a red barrel filled with sand - called a clearing barrel.

Lt. Robert Paoletti explains the safety procedure: "They fire into the clearing barrel to drive home on an empty chamber to make sure the weapon is clear. We also have the non-commissioned officers inspect the chambers of the weapons to make sure they're clear to insure safety."

But Alvarez apparently had difficulty removing his sidearm from the holster. There was also a live round in the chamber. Somehow, as he was struggling, the gun went off and the round hit him in the buttocks. Alvarez's superiors say the shooting was unfortunate.

"He's a good soldier that had an accident. He is trained on the weapon. He is qualified in the weapon so it's an unfortunate thing," Lt. Paoletti says.

The national guard has now launched a formal investigation to find out exactely why the accidental shooting happened.

Soldiers are permitted to carry live ammunition, but normal operational protocol does not allow live rounds in the chambers unless the alert is upgraded. Did Alverez violate regulations by carrying his sidearm with a live round in the chamber?

"I'm not at liberty to discuss what the actual reason for the accidental discharge was. Like I said, it's under a formal investigation. Hopefully we'll be able to come to some resolution," says Lt. Paoletti.

Police were called immediately to the scene, but there was apparently some tense moments and confusion while police tried to piece together what happened. Airport sources tell KRON 4 that some officers thought, initially, that the soldier had been shot by a terrorist.

Alvarez was taken to San Francisco General. He's now back at home recuperating from his wound.


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To: SSN558
In 30 years of keeping and bearing arms I have never, repeat never had an accidental discharge.

There are only two kinds of gun owners in the world, those who have had an A.D. and those who will. Not a critisism BTW. Over confidence is a bad thing. Keep safe.

21 posted on 01/05/2002 5:46:11 PM PST by chuknospam
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To: unamused
Thank God there's that "thin blue line" to keep us safe....
22 posted on 01/05/2002 5:47:44 PM PST by unamused
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To: unamused
I love it when they say the gun misfired.
It fired exactly when it was supposed to.
It was a case of...the trigger was mis-pulled...
23 posted on 01/05/2002 5:53:24 PM PST by unamused
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To: ElkGroveDan
Yeah. We sure need to "upgrade" to all gubm'nt types to run airport security so we will be safe! Yezzir! (/sarcasm)
24 posted on 01/05/2002 5:55:59 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: ElkGroveDan
Since when is an AD a misfire?

A "misfire" occurs when the hammer strikes the primer but it does not ignite. It is a failure of the ammunition (or of the firing pin etc).

Having your finger in the trigger guard while you are drawing your weapon is a failure of the operator.

25 posted on 01/05/2002 5:59:04 PM PST by DrNo
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To: chuknospam; all
There is no such thing as an accidental discharge. It is negligent discharge, and it caused by inattention, stupidity, lack of training, or horseplay.

I wish people would stop calling them accidental. They aren't!

26 posted on 01/05/2002 6:18:22 PM PST by AKbear
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To: ElkGroveDan
Anyone else wonder why they have to shoot in a barrel to clear the chamber of a live round? When unloading my conceal-carry pistol, I remove live rounds from the chamber all the time without firing the gun.
27 posted on 01/05/2002 6:21:22 PM PST by freedomcrusader
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To: ElkGroveDan
OMG I would be SOOOOoooo humiliated!!!
28 posted on 01/05/2002 6:23:05 PM PST by GussiedUp
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To: chuknospam
Where's Fienstein and Ms. Brady? He should have had a gun lock!!!
29 posted on 01/05/2002 6:40:37 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: freedomcrusader
Anyone else wonder why they have to shoot in a barrel to clear the chamber of a live round? When unloading my conceal-carry pistol, I remove live rounds from the chamber all the time without firing the gun.

Reason: Nowhere near as much fun.

30 posted on 01/05/2002 7:59:43 PM PST by Erasmus
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To: freedomcrusader
I don't think they shoot into a barrel to clear the chamber of a live round. I think they are supposed to remove the magazine and rack the slide to empty the chamber of any rounds (or open the cylinder and eject the rounds) then point the weapon into the barrel and pull the trigger to verify the weapon is empty. They point the weapon into the barrel (partially filled with sand or something) to ensure that, in the event of a 'misadventure' the gun is fired in a safe direction. Note that if the gun fires, something went wrong. I have heard of that happening because of unnoticed extraction failures and that it is quite surprising.
31 posted on 01/05/2002 8:20:34 PM PST by KrisKrinkle
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To: AKbear
Exactly. Any firearms instructor worth his salt will tell you that there is no such thing.

Complacency and total ignorance cause this type of "accident" to occur. If he was having trouble getting the gun out of the holster, that should have been a signal that something was wrong and help was needed. Fortunately, he hit himself where his brains are, so no damage was done.

33 posted on 01/05/2002 8:27:48 PM PST by Pistolshot
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To: DrNo
Somewhat off -topic, but an interesting question that has happened in real life.

When testing a nuclear weapon, when does one decide that he has a "misfire" as opposed to a "hangfire"?

34 posted on 01/05/2002 8:45:23 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: RLK
When Jesse James was riding with Bill Quantrill, he shot off a piece of his finger while cleaning a pistol. People get tired and do dumb things, like pouring ketchup into their coffee instead of sugar. Scientific American ran an article about the phenomenon a few years ago, but I forget the specifics. When firearms are involved, the associated problems are obvious. The only effective safeguard I can imagine would be even more stringent range guards and supervised unloading procedures to stop unsafe situations before they become accidents like this:

"But Alvarez apparently had difficulty removing his sidearm from the holster. There was also a live round in the chamber. Somehow, as he was struggling, the gun went off and the round hit him in the buttocks." Someone should have reminded the guy to stop, take a deep breath, count to ten, and then begin all over again.

35 posted on 01/06/2002 4:56:01 AM PST by Mortimer Snavely
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To: Mortimer Snavely
I am laughing so hard I can barely type!

Was he aiming at anything when he fired the weapon?

Give him credit for hitting something.

"Struggling with his holster..." That's a new one.

Why does the image of Barney Fife come to mind?

"Now AAAnnnndddyyyy...."

I wish him well!

36 posted on 01/06/2002 5:10:47 AM PST by Northern Yankee
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To: CurlyDave
When testing a nuclear weapon, when does one decide that he has a "misfire" as opposed to a "hangfire"?

I don't know and I don't want to be there!! ;^)

P.S. Those .45 LC never misfire, do they?

37 posted on 01/06/2002 8:03:13 AM PST by DrNo
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To: ElkGroveDan
I never heard of anyone shooting himself in the butt before. As to why he had a live round chambered, I've seen lots of people mistakenly start their unloading procedure by racking the slide first. Dropping the magazine from its well is the first move in clearing an autoloading pistol, but it's common to see someone forget the order of procedure.

This accident is the first time I've seen an advantage in switching our armed forces off of the 1911A1. At least the guy shot himself with a 9mm instead of a .45acp. If the NG has started a practice of shooting themselves in their butts, maybe the 9mm is a better choice ;-)

38 posted on 01/06/2002 8:16:55 AM PST by Twodees
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