Posted on 01/04/2002 10:01:12 PM PST by Vigilant1
FREE REPUBLIC ADMITS IT IS PRO-WAR AND CENSORS ALL POSTS NOT IN ACCORD WITH US GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA
NOW MAKING THE ROUNDS ON THE NET. Cited under "fair use" for educational purposes.
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Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 02:50:39 -0800
From: "Jim Robinson"
Organization: Free Republic
To: "Larry McDonald"
Subject: Re: What Are You Scared Of?
Those who are coming in here to post a bunch of propaganda to smear Bush or otherwise harm the war effort are going to be deleted.
I guess you missed my posts where I said that I am 100% behind our President and the war. I don't care if it's Ron Paul, Larry McDonald, or the head of the John Birch Society himself. I do not want it on FR. And I do not want a bunch of 40 year old conspiracy crap. Not interested.
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There you have it. Free Republic is not an objective reporter of the facts but a blatent supporter of the Bush administrations' war for oil, and by Jim Robinson's own admission.
In another post, Jim states...
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Jim Robinson (Free Republic)
by JIM ROBINSON in This thread
Lots of grumbling lately about deleted posts. Well, my friends, the simple truth is the game has changed. We are now at war.
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Of course, Jim Robinson has it wrong. We're not at war. Only Congress can state otherwise and there has been no formal declaration of war by anyone. Bush hasn't gone to Congress to ask for such a declaration because that would restore Congress to its role in the balance of powers doctrine on which the nation was founded. Bush has no intention of allowing Congress to second-guess him, and indeed Bush has flat out declared that he will not bother informing Congress of intelligence operations from this point forward as is required by law.
Yes, we have been attacked, but it's not really known by whom. Even the FBI admits the IDs on which they based their accusations were faked using the stolen identities of middle eastern Arabs, some of whom have since turned up alive. From this it should be obvious that we cannot really know who was on those planes, only who we are supposed to blame.
But Jim Robinson isn't interested in these facts. He's spiked threads pointing out that the FBI admitted the IDs used by the hijackers were phony. Jim Robinson has spiked threads about how some of the accused hijackers have turned up alive. Jim Robinson has spiked many of the threads dealing with the Israeli spy scandal and the fact that the US has classified evidence linking some of the arrested Israeli spies with the events of 9/11. Jim Robinson has spiked threads suggestng that Bush has exceeed his constitutional authority. Jim Robinson will tolerate no doubts about the righteousness of Bush's war for oil.
But more than that, Jim Robinson displays an arrogant assumption that the presence of a war justifies anything. He argues that we should get behind the government because (he claims) there is a war. But translate that to Germany of 1939. Was it the right thing for the German people to unquestioningly back Hitler because there was a war on? Or would the German people (and the world) have been better served taking a pause and a closer look at just what the government was doing? And if Germany should have examined their government's claims a lot closer, then how can we not do the same now?
Free Republic has shown its true colors. Jim is "not interested" in facts, only in selling Bush's wars. Free Republic isn't about news any more, only about propaganda.
If Mr. Robinson and those who run this forum are going to continue censoring opinions they dislike and banning posters they consider disagreeable, then please stop claiming to be defenders of the U.S. constitution and American liberty. Such claims are blatant hypocrisy.
First. This is Jim Robinson's "living room" -- not the hall of congress. In Jim's living room he keeps the place clean and takes out the garbage.
In congress where virtually every politician compromises honest principles, violates their oath office to The United States Constitution and the people, it is they that are abusing this country. They get away like thieves in the night by hiding behind their media-supported feigned compassion for the people. And you are too, with your misguided or outright dishonest tactics. Talk about hypocrisy and being a defender of the U.S. constitution and liberty for all Americans, you have just stuck your foot in your mouth -- big time. Thanks for so blatantly exposing your true colors.
On the outside chance that I am mistaken and you really don't know how much in error your post is, then come forth and explain and I'll gladly join in your learning. But if all you chose to do is to come back with attack you will be your own worst enemy.
That said, I very much like many many FReepers here but I too am dismayed at times. Especially when I realize that many FReepers don't comprehend the ramifications of voting for the lesser of two "evils" begets "evil". Bush is doing a whole lot of good and I have no complaints -- I seem able to find the best reason for him doing certain things that some FReepers think are wrong. I will continue until I see verifiable proof that Bush has acted dishonestly.
It certainly seems to me that you are making a mountain out of a trivial matter. A preference of Jim's on how he keeps house is trivial compared to you turning it into a constitutional issue, which it clearly is not. Frankly, congress' gross violation of the people's trust and abuse of the same is in no way a trivial issue -- it is of monumental importance that all of government be cured of the "evil" cancer that has plagued it for so long.
I don't have all the answers and I don't think any FReeper does. But focusing on trivial problems that need not exist in the first place tends to distract people from the valid important work that needs to be done. It is worse to create a problem that need not exist than to busy oneself with finding band-aid cures for the symptoms of government abuse. But I don't want the lesser of what is worse. I want what is honest, consistent with high integrity and with uncompromising principles -- I want the best. So I work towards the best. That is to identify the problem/cancer/disease and then formulate a series of most effective solutions/cures that will produce the best result.
- Spirit Of Truth
Truth is a mushy hydra-headed word that is easily manipulated and changes from context to context. Honesty is different. There is no gray era with honest. A person and their words are either honest or not honest. There is no gray era.
Most people live with islands of honesty floating in a sea of misguided notions that self-proclaimed external authorities foisted on them. However, with the chain of events that began when Clinton first stole the White House for his own personal gain and that of his cronies, continuing to build up to the 9-11 terrorist attacks and now with President Bush at the helm, so to speak, and continuing into the future there has been more and more people that have seen their islands of honest beginning to grow ever-larger. That trend is soon to snowball forward to islands of honesty overtaking the sea of misguided notions that once inflicted them. A key point that is continuing to express itself in the chain of events is the valid knowledge, power and freedom that people acquire from cyberspace.
It may be that 1st_Amendment is nothing more than a troll for the Spirit Of Truth Web site. I just checked... "No current Freeper by that name." Therefore I have removed his URL from the above Spirit Of Truth hyperlink.
I leave this post for the benefit of the rest of us FReepers to make use of it as they see fit. Also that 1st_Amendment upon lurking may chose to learn rather than bury his head in the sand.
Do you see Jim Robinson's name here? It is JimRob's site and he can do pretty much as he pleases.
Shoo go away..get..run along now
The original rant is wrong in every word including a, and, and the.
I have read every post to Jim Robinson's 391 and I ache from laughter.
Indeed, the question of "free speech" and the issue of "First Amendment rights" has been given a similar airing on the Rush Limbaugh Show. I wholly concur with the two-part conclusion: The First Amendment restricts Congress, not privately-owned fora; and, the disaffected are free to establish their own fora.
I will bear witness that Jim Robinson has provided a forum for the free discussion of the significant news and issues of the day for the nation. What more can any thoughtful person desire?
A word about the purported "free thought" of the aforementioned Michael Rivero. I knew nothing firsthand of this person until a particular thread on Flight 800. I personally have difficulty with the concept of the prevailing "short-circuit" theory, its "support" by a CIA animation claiming to explain the fiery streak overtaking the plane witnessed by scores of responsible citizens. But Michael Rivero stipulated that the U.S. Navy had killed these innocents and covered it up, and he would not hear otherwise. Specifically when I referenced the radar track of the single small craft speeding from the scene as a possible source for a shoulder-fired Stinger- or SA-7-type weapon, he dripped ridicule that anyone would not see it was the Navy and no one else.
Sorry. My great-to-the-fifth grandfather fought King George for our freedoms, as did my father on the USS Saratoga (CV-3) and my son-in-law the USNA graduate. I won't allow the double-smearing of the nation and the military on the basis of someone's ideological madness.
And it's madness to claim we are not at war. . .
The crater has not been plumbed to its depths and the bodies of our fallen are still being carried out. . .
As for "the Jews did it"--here be as close to the Nazi madness which the original ranter would use to smear our president.
I'm up to here with the "4,000 Jews played hooky from the WTC"--
As for "we don't know who did it"--I smell the beginnings of Holocaust denial, and that was famously prosecuted.
If the Hypocratic Oath begin, "First, do no harm. . ." then surely the Freeper Oath ought to begin "First, tell no lie. . ."
This has to be one of the strangest anti-Jim/FR threads ever. You should let this one go on 'ad infinitum' just out of morbid curiousity.
I wasn't talking about you, O. I was refering to the Rivero-bashers.
If Rivero could post here, I have no doubt that he would answer their lame charges and, in the process, eat their lunch. But since he can't, these cowards are apparently emboldened to slander and defame him with impunity. It's a sorry display.
Until Rivero is permitted to return here to defend himself against them, his critics ought to desist from gratuitous, utterly self-serving, and quite unseemly one-sided gang-bashing of one who, as far as I can tell, has done nothing at all to deserve such ill-treatment and, in fact, has done much over the course of his FReeping to earn the admiration and respect of many FReepers, including yours truly.
Ever hear of 'evil people'?
mr (if that's who you're referring to) is one of those 'evil people'.
Evil, in my book, deserves no fair hearing - no opportunity for a chance to get his 'say'. (BESIDES, THE DUFUS HAS A WEBSITE **AND** WORE OUT HIS WELCOME HERE! Duh!)
Why do I say this? because I witnessed this 'evil', that's why, over months - AS HAVE A GREAT NUMBER OF OTHERS through the years AND on a great NUMBER of newsgroups and e-mail lists.
It isn't just on the basis of a simple whim, I assure you, that I declare mr as 'evil' ...
He and Arator love facts. And even more, they love juxtaposing verifiable facts in completely illogical ways to reach loony conclusions. As I've said before, Rivero uses "facts" like this:
A) My dog bit me. (verifiable fact)
B) There are satellites broadcasting signals to earth.(verifiable fact)
Therefore,
C) The satellites told my dog to bite me. (conclusion)
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