Jim Robinson & FR accused of censorship

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[Vigilant1]

FREE REPUBLIC ADMITS IT IS PRO-WAR AND CENSORS ALL POSTS NOT IN ACCORD WITH US GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA

NOW MAKING THE ROUNDS ON THE NET. Cited under "fair use" for educational purposes.

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Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 02:50:39 -0800
From: "Jim Robinson"
Organization: Free Republic
To: "Larry McDonald"
Subject: Re: What Are You Scared Of?

Those who are coming in here to post a bunch of propaganda to smear Bush or otherwise harm the war effort are going to be deleted.

I guess you missed my posts where I said that I am 100% behind our President and the war. I don't care if it's Ron Paul, Larry McDonald, or the head of the John Birch Society himself. I do not want it on FR. And I do not want a bunch of 40 year old conspiracy crap. Not interested.
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There you have it. Free Republic is not an objective reporter of the facts but a blatent supporter of the Bush administrations' war for oil, and by Jim Robinson's own admission.

In another post, Jim states...

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Jim Robinson (Free Republic)
by JIM ROBINSON in This thread

Lots of grumbling lately about deleted posts. Well, my friends, the simple truth is the game has changed. We are now at war.
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Of course, Jim Robinson has it wrong. We're not at war. Only Congress can state otherwise and there has been no formal declaration of war by anyone. Bush hasn't gone to Congress to ask for such a declaration because that would restore Congress to its role in the balance of powers doctrine on which the nation was founded. Bush has no intention of allowing Congress to second-guess him, and indeed Bush has flat out declared that he will not bother informing Congress of intelligence operations from this point forward as is required by law.

Yes, we have been attacked, but it's not really known by whom. Even the FBI admits the IDs on which they based their accusations were faked using the stolen identities of middle eastern Arabs, some of whom have since turned up alive. From this it should be obvious that we cannot really know who was on those planes, only who we are supposed to blame.

But Jim Robinson isn't interested in these facts. He's spiked threads pointing out that the FBI admitted the IDs used by the hijackers were phony. Jim Robinson has spiked threads about how some of the accused hijackers have turned up alive. Jim Robinson has spiked many of the threads dealing with the Israeli spy scandal and the fact that the US has classified evidence linking some of the arrested Israeli spies with the events of 9/11. Jim Robinson has spiked threads suggestng that Bush has exceeed his constitutional authority. Jim Robinson will tolerate no doubts about the righteousness of Bush's war for oil.

But more than that, Jim Robinson displays an arrogant assumption that the presence of a war justifies anything. He argues that we should get behind the government because (he claims) there is a war. But translate that to Germany of 1939. Was it the right thing for the German people to unquestioningly back Hitler because there was a war on? Or would the German people (and the world) have been better served taking a pause and a closer look at just what the government was doing? And if Germany should have examined their government's claims a lot closer, then how can we not do the same now?

Free Republic has shown its true colors. Jim is "not interested" in facts, only in selling Bush's wars. Free Republic isn't about news any more, only about propaganda.

[Arator]

By Johnny Jihad. Don’t let the bullets mow you down on your way out.

"The first casualty of war is the truth."

I forget who said this, but your mentality (or lack thereof?) demonstrates perfectly its wisdom.

[Justa]

Hey, dude, I didn't pull it. I ain't no moderator around here. Also don't know why it was pulled. Perhaps you were starting to wax-up Buchanan or something.... Oh, yeah, I think you insinuated the government knew about OKC and Pearl Harbor and was therefore complicit in the attacks. [Barf]. Occams razor Arator. Beyond that you need proof, not speculation and aspersion. To skip the proof and go straight to the indictment will get you tossed out on your ass from any debate.

[Jim Robinson]

Yeah, and there's another saying too. And I do not know who said it, but it goes something like this, "You wouldn't know the truth if it walked up and bit you on the butt."

[Republican_Strategist]

Here's a bag of pebbles - go find a pond and amuse yourself making pretty rippling patterns.

[Republican_Strategist]

Isn't it possible — just possible — that the majority of Americans are right and the dissidents are wrong? But there's nothing in the world of biology, zoology, or logic for that matter which says the sheep who wander out of the herd are any smarter than the ones who stay in it.

[Arator]

Jim, I will not argue with you. I will only suggest that you add the following to your reading list:

Day of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor by Robert Stinnett, who himself served in the US Navy from '42 to '46, where he earned ten battle stars and a Presidential Unit Citation.

His patriotism did not keep him from learning the truth about just what his government was capable of back in '41. He pursued and found the truth about the event which provided the pretext for the war in which he served so ably and so well.

Fifty years from now, will a similar book be written by a veteran of the War on Terror? Only time will tell...

[Republican_Strategist]

Fifty years from now, will a similar book be written by a veteran of the War on Terror? Only time will tell...

What a bunch of anecdotal baloney. Well just because someone has been in the military doesn’t automatically make them right. There are some former military personnel that claim our government has knowledge of extraterrestrial life. Why don’t you set up camp with Rivero outside of Area 51 and wait for a UFO.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...FREE REPUBLIC ADMITS IT IS PRO-WAR AND CENSORS ALL POSTS NOT IN ACCORD WITH US GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA...

That's nonsense.

I've been making posts often very critical of the government's spin on this war, and so have others. And I've neither experienced nor witnessed censorship of that viewpoint.

Those who come here to push a specific barrow, for instance Mr Buchanan's candidacy, or theories on TWA 800 etc, often deservedly get their fingers burnt. And it's very difficult to be sympathetic with some who then retreat to their own censored website and from there, snipe at FR.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

You wouldn't know the truth if it walked up and bit you on the butt."

A little Arator goes a long way, Jim, my main complaint is not enough censorship, but I won't go into that here.

[He Rides A White Horse]

There you have it. Free Republic is not an objective reporter of the facts but a blatent supporter of the Bush administrations' war for oil

I was unaware that Afghanistan was a big oil producing nation.

[Republican_Strategist]

When I saw that “Bush Administration’s war for oil” I thought he was quoting Daschle or some environmentalist on drilling in ANWR. You have to say the demagoguery parallels with that.

[Arator]

What a bunch of anecdotal baloney.

Stinnett also authored another book you might like:

George Bush: His World War II Years

As for Day of Deceit, I've read it and his case is ironclad, bolstered throughout by recently declassified government documents.

Wait long enough, and the truth does come out.

Many people suspected the truth at the time, of course, but the war fever at the time made any expression of that truth seem unpatriotic. Sound familiar?

[He Rides A White Horse]

Same here. Every time I hear that phrase, it sounds all the more silly.

Oil has probably been the best thing to ever happen to the Muslim world......too bad they opt to put the revenue to use destabilizing the world and financing the worst elements the planet has to offer; yet some will sit here and say that what they are getting now is 'undeserved', and part of some unprovoked plot against them.

Gimme a break.

[Republican_Strategist]

Well please quit trying to purposely misconstrue what I said. I was arguing that simply because someone is former military doesn’t mean they are always truthful and I cited how some say our government has knowledge of aliens. Secondly you aren’t proving anything, disputing anything, but you are merely relying on some deluded projection of inevitability.

I post once more: "Isn't it possible — just possible — that the majority of Americans are right and the dissidents are wrong? But there's nothing in the world of biology, zoology, or logic for that matter which says the sheep who wander out of the herd are any smarter than the ones who stay in it."

[He Rides A White Horse]

Yes, we have been attacked, but it's not really known by whom.

Really now, puhleeze...............

Jim Robinson will tolerate no doubts about the righteousness of Bush's war for oil.

Silly me, I thought it was about unprovoked attacks on the Pentagon, the WTC, resulting in the deaths of thousands of Americans.

Was it the right thing for the German people to unquestioningly back Hitler because there was a war on?

To compare these two conflicts is a slap in the face to all those who died.

[Arator]

Secondly you aren’t proving anything, disputing anything, but you are merely relying on some deluded projection of inevitability.

I have never asserted an inevitability, only a possibility which given the history of our government one would be foolish to deny.

But enough about this dangerous topic. Read Stinnett and consider the implications. If it could happen in '41, why not now? That's the question that haunts me and keeps me open to whatever evidence the Riveros of this world might like to bring to my attention.

[TomB]

Stinnett also authored another book you might like:

I can post the names of dozens of books, all with "unclassified government documents", that "prove" that we never landed on the moon.

That doesn't prove anything though.

[DB]

The ones that "wander" usually die. It is the wanderers that require the most care to save them from themselves...

[BARGE]

Put your sandals on and hit the road.

[Republican_Strategist]

That is nothing more than a hasty generalization. Your logical fallacies do not satisfy me the least. Don’t expect me to follow you down the slippery slope.