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To: exodus
Actually, Dr. Keyes shares many of my views. I just do not like his presentation and his attitude to the President, who is, after all, the person who won the election. I also find some of his supporters repellant in their behavior.

Petty incidents off the top of my head:

1.)Long after he had come to the point of having NO chance of winning, he was in Oklahoma saying that Bush would lose, and that he, Keyes, was the only one who could beat Gore in a debate. He said he would be back to say "I told you so." PhiKapMom has the newpaper articles from that incident, and she and another Oklahoma freeper heard him say this on the radio. I think this was petty.

2.)Then there was his roundabout criticism of Laura Bush, discussed here a couple of weeks ago, in which he said he agreed with her comments, but it was such a shame she didn't discuss abortion in her ONE MINUTE SPEECH. Petty!

Then there was the "massa" comment, which I will not discuss, as it gets me quite angry.

There are plenty more, but if you don't like President Bush, it is perhaps understandable that you wouldn't notice them. Bush supporters do, and his failure to withdraw from the Presidential race was disloyal in the extreme for a Republican (although I understand that his supporters think that principle is more important, and they do not see it that way). However, the Bush people DO see it that way, and this is no doubt why Dr. Keyes was not nominated for any position within the Administration.

Plus, isn't anyone curious about his relationship with Bill Kristol, who was his college roomate, and who is CONTEMPTUOUS of conservative Christians? I find it interesting that those two had a long relationship, although they are at opposite wings of the party. One would think that Dr. Keyes would be hard pressed to have a kind word for neo-con Kristol.

165 posted on 01/04/2002 5:05:44 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
1.)Long after he had come to the point of having NO chance of winning, he was in Oklahoma saying that Bush would lose, and that he, Keyes, was the only one who could beat Gore in a debate. He said he would be back to say "I told you so." PhiKapMom has the newpaper articles from that incident, and she and another Oklahoma freeper heard him say this on the radio. I think this was petty.

This charge has been denied, and has not been documented. Individual 2nd and 3rd hand remarks are notoriously unreliable.

2.)Then there was his roundabout criticism of Laura Bush, discussed here a couple of weeks ago, in which he said he agreed with her comments, but it was such a shame she didn't discuss abortion in her ONE MINUTE SPEECH. Petty!

So here the point is that, while Keyes admired what Mrs. Bush said, and praised her for saying it, he was not, shall we say, 'slavishly' uncritical of her. Oh yes, how dare he have his own opinion.

171 posted on 01/04/2002 5:11:48 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Miss Marple
Re- # 165 by Miss Marple

To: exodus
Petty incidents off the top of my head:
1.) Long after he had come to the point of having NO chance of winning, he was in Oklahoma saying that Bush would lose, and that he, Keyes, was the only one who could beat Gore in a debate. He said he would be back to say "I told you so." PhiKapMom has the newpaper articles from that incident, and she and another Oklahoma freeper heard him say this on the radio. I think this was petty.

Keyes was still a candidate at that time.
It was known from the begining of the campaign
that Bush would beat anyone, even McCain.
Nobody had a chance, except Bush.

Keyes performed his duty,
which was to put his ideas before the voters
and try to influence the Party platform.

2.) Then there was his roundabout criticism of Laura Bush, discussed here a couple of weeks ago, in which he said he agreed with her comments, but it was such a shame she didn't discuss abortion in her ONE MINUTE SPEECH. Petty!

Keyes is not a one-issue politician,
but the issue he feels most strongly about is abortion.
It's not petty for a politician to take every opportunity
to put his pet issue before the public.
Mrs, Bush didn't bring up the issue, so Keyes did.
It wasn't an attack.

Then there was the "massa" comment, which I will not discuss, as it gets me quite angry.

You lost me.
I don't know of any "master" comment.

There are plenty more, but if you don't like President Bush, it is perhaps understandable that you wouldn't notice them. Bush supporters do, and his failure to withdraw from the Presidential race was disloyal in the extreme for a Republican (although I understand that his supporters think that principle is more important, and they do not see it that way).

Allan Keyes IS a Bush supporter.
After Bush won the primaries,
Allen asked all his supporters to vote for Bush.

However, the Bush people DO see it that way, and this is no doubt why Dr. Keyes was not nominated for any position within the Administration.

I believe that Keyes was not asked to participate
because Bush doesn't share Keyes' values.
Notice that Keyes did participate in Reagan's government.

Plus, isn't anyone curious about his relationship with Bill Kristol, who was his college roomate, and who is CONTEMPTUOUS of conservative Christians? I find it interesting that those two had a long relationship, although they are at opposite wings of the party. One would think that Dr. Keyes would be hard pressed to have a kind word for neo-con Kristol.

Now you've gone over into major pettiness yourself, Miss Marple.
I consider all of the points you made earlier to be unfounded,
as to your charge of Keyes' pettiness.

Now you paint Keyes in a dis-honorable light
because he has a friend who doesn't agree
with a certain type of Christian.

That's not a very Christian thing to do.

222 posted on 01/04/2002 5:57:12 PM PST by exodus
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To: Miss Marple
but it was such a shame she didn't discuss abortion in her ONE MINUTE SPEECH. Petty!

Laura Bush didn't discuss abortion because she is pro-choice. So is Barbara Bush.

But you know that.

249 posted on 01/04/2002 6:14:37 PM PST by carenot
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