Posted on 01/04/2002 12:25:32 AM PST by kattracks
Edited on 05/26/2004 5:03:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
THE folks at Msnbc are talking to former Republican presidential candidate and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Alan Keyes about hosting a 10 p.m. show up against Fox News' new hire, Greta Van Susteren. Meanwhile, Van Susteren, a lawyer before her O.J. Simpson commentary turned her into a CNN star, reportedly has penned an eight-page memo detailing CNN's demerits. She plans to keep the document secret as long as CNN doesn't try to paint her as an ungrateful traitor.
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To: exodus
Petty incidents off the top of my head:
1.) Long after he had come to the point of having NO chance of winning, he was in Oklahoma saying that Bush would lose, and that he, Keyes, was the only one who could beat Gore in a debate. He said he would be back to say "I told you so." PhiKapMom has the newpaper articles from that incident, and she and another Oklahoma freeper heard him say this on the radio. I think this was petty.
Keyes was still a candidate at that time.
It was known from the begining of the campaign
that Bush would beat anyone, even McCain.
Nobody had a chance, except Bush.
Keyes performed his duty,
which was to put his ideas before the voters
and try to influence the Party platform.
2.) Then there was his roundabout criticism of Laura Bush, discussed here a couple of weeks ago, in which he said he agreed with her comments, but it was such a shame she didn't discuss abortion in her ONE MINUTE SPEECH. Petty!
Keyes is not a one-issue politician,
but the issue he feels most strongly about is abortion.
It's not petty for a politician to take every opportunity
to put his pet issue before the public.
Mrs, Bush didn't bring up the issue, so Keyes did.
It wasn't an attack.
Then there was the "massa" comment, which I will not discuss, as it gets me quite angry.
You lost me.
I don't know of any "master" comment.
There are plenty more, but if you don't like President Bush, it is perhaps understandable that you wouldn't notice them. Bush supporters do, and his failure to withdraw from the Presidential race was disloyal in the extreme for a Republican (although I understand that his supporters think that principle is more important, and they do not see it that way).
Allan Keyes IS a Bush supporter.
After Bush won the primaries,
Allen asked all his supporters to vote for Bush.
However, the Bush people DO see it that way, and this is no doubt why Dr. Keyes was not nominated for any position within the Administration.
I believe that Keyes was not asked to participate
because Bush doesn't share Keyes' values.
Notice that Keyes did participate in Reagan's government.
Plus, isn't anyone curious about his relationship with Bill Kristol, who was his college roomate, and who is CONTEMPTUOUS of conservative Christians? I find it interesting that those two had a long relationship, although they are at opposite wings of the party. One would think that Dr. Keyes would be hard pressed to have a kind word for neo-con Kristol.
Now you've gone over into major pettiness yourself, Miss Marple.
I consider all of the points you made earlier to be unfounded,
as to your charge of Keyes' pettiness.
Now you paint Keyes in a dis-honorable light
because he has a friend who doesn't agree
with a certain type of Christian.
That's not a very Christian thing to do.
Here is the opening paragraph of the article, of which apparently he is quite proud, since he has posted his smiling face beside it:
Doggedly refusing to consider the Republican race settled, Alan Keyes told Oklahomans that Texas Gov. George W. Bush can't win the presidency because he lacks the skills to expose the ``great moral betrayal'' of the Clinton administration. Ending a two-day campaign stop in the state Friday, Keyes stuck mainly to religious and philosophical themes as he decried a society he said is more dependent on government than God.
This is from his OWN WEB SITE. His comments were not helpful to the campaign, and were, indeed, petty.
Knock off the "you all" accusations. I wasn't even defending Keyes here, I was pointing out how pitiful an appeal to popular opinion was when so much of the population has been indoctrinated by the Left their entire lives anyway. Millions, heck, billions of people probably disagree with many of the things you believe - is your opinion supposed to be crushed under the sheer weight of their numbers?
In other words: use better arguments.
Capable of it? -- Maybe. Actually practising it -- No.
Notice that the liberal media had no problem publicizing George Bush.
Maybe they didn't consider Bush to be a threat to the liberal agenda.
Whoops, there's a line you won't be able to use anymore.....'member the topic of the thread? Keyes gets an MSNBC spot!
See, there's the problem with that argument; I, unlike Alan Keyes and his supporters, aren't insisting that everybody agrees with me. I've never declared that anybody who doesn't agree with me on EVERY ISSUE is immoral, as Keyes and his supporters have.
(I see London, I see France...)
How do you see debating skills translating into executive and leadership skills?
Do you think having a high IQ or good debating skills entitles you to put down others?
The prospect of such a show, is an encouraging sign. I hope it materializes.
Regarding the Laura Bush thing, you will never convince me that that comment wasn't petty. Reasonable people will disagree about this, and I remain firm in my opinion.
Bill Kristol has a vendetta against Bush, which I have been documenting since March. Bill Kristol was originally a democrat, in case you didn't know. I have posted numerous quotes from books which indcate to me that Kristol is actively trying to destroy the Bush presidency, if not the Republican party. His anti-cultural conservative stance is only one of the reasons I am suspicious about him, and about anyone who hangs out with him.
Maybe they consider him the president of the United States?
Care to tell us all just how the press, liberal or not, could go for eight years and not PUBLICIZE George W. Bush?
OMG, that means I voted Libertarian why I tried to vote in the Georgia Republican Primary in 2000! Now it's easier for me to see how all of those little old ladies voted for Buchanon in Palm Beach!
And if I were addressing my fellow Freepers, and national conservative leaders as if I was Heinrich Himmler addressing the B'nai Brith, I would not have the nerve to comment on how anyone addresses me.
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