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PAGE SIX/Lock & loaded (Keyes MSNBC Show?)
New York Post ^ | 1/04/02 | RICHARD JOHNSON with PAULA FROELICH and CHRIS WILSON

Posted on 01/04/2002 12:25:32 AM PST by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:03:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

THE folks at Msnbc are talking to former Republican presidential candidate and former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Alan Keyes about hosting a 10 p.m. show up against Fox News' new hire, Greta Van Susteren. Meanwhile, Van Susteren, a lawyer before her O.J. Simpson commentary turned her into a CNN star, reportedly has penned an eight-page memo detailing CNN's demerits. She plans to keep the document secret as long as CNN doesn't try to paint her as an ungrateful traitor.


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To: PhiKapMom;Miss Marple;Howlin
Keyes said that if the GOP loses in November

It is really amazing that you folks can go around referring to a quote without reading it. I will just point out you use of the word if. IF the GOP loses. Not the GOP will lose in November, but IF it loses in November. This is your quote and your phrase, and it makes all of your references to this quote, on this thread and others a lie. I might say a BIG lie. Even a Joseph Goebbels' style BIG lie.

261 posted on 01/04/2002 6:28:54 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: GussiedUp
Do we live near each other?
262 posted on 01/04/2002 6:29:40 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Rowdee
Hi there Rowdee!

LOL... And the beat goes on!!!

I think it would be great if Dr. Keyes has his own show. As you know, I don't always agree with Dr. Keyes' postions; but respect immensely his exquisite intellect, the ability to articulate with great clarity his thoughts and the strength of character to remain consistent. These are qualities that few have been blessed with, as can be evidenced by many of the posts on this thread.

rdf mentioned malice, I find hypocrisy as just as disgusting.

263 posted on 01/04/2002 6:29:54 PM PST by seattlesue
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To: Keyes For President
Please reconcile these conflicting statements you have made today:

[[[Why does the company you keep show up on a thread that merely mentions a rumour that Keyes might be offered a chance to host a cable TV show just to launch yet another round of unprovoked personal attacks against him?

You don't see me doing things like that. ]]]

and

[[[They don't even realize how hilarious they are! They are making this place seem more like Fool's Republic. ]]]

264 posted on 01/04/2002 6:31:17 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: PhiKapMom
Thanks.... read it....

Ratings will tell the final outcome of his success at MaSsaNBC.

265 posted on 01/04/2002 6:32:08 PM PST by deport
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To: Howlin
LOL I'm reading. I'm reading.
266 posted on 01/04/2002 6:32:35 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
And you ignored the quote: "He's not going to win, and so he's not going to be appointing judges. You're deluding yourself." Why don't you admit it, keyes said that Bush was not going to win? It is right there in the article! Or do all the keyes people refuse toi admit that he trashed President Bush here in Oklahoma. Guess you all didn't think that this article was still floating around as it was on the back page of my section 1 and not on the on-line edition. Well I made a copy and faxed it all over including to Austin so they would know the type of person they were dealing with when it came to Keyes!

Not to mention calling him Bush-lite on the radio, but you probably don't believe Ole Okie and I on that one! READ the entire quotes from the article and then tell me that keyes supported Bush and thought he could win!

267 posted on 01/04/2002 6:32:36 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: seattlesue
Hey Sue!

Your teal posts are always a site for sore eyes!

Best always,

268 posted on 01/04/2002 6:32:55 PM PST by Keyes For President
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To: exodus
That is true, there were 6 other candidates, all of whom withdrew before summer and supported President Bush...all except Alan Keyes, who held his delegates until 10 days before the convention. Not exactly a ringing endorsement from Dr. Keyes.

If Keyes was such a superior debater, and especially since McCain had trashed Christian conservatives, do you really think that the networks would have allowed McCain to be destroyed in a debate by Keyes if Bush hadn't shown up? Think on.

In fact, I will suibmit that the networks showed that debate because they were counting on Keyes to destroy Bush. It didn't happen because Bush was awake on all suits and merely looked pleasant and friendly, which is the actual point of the Presidential Debates, regardless of what you people think. The object of being in the debates is to get votes, and if you have to do a tap dance or sing opera, you do it. Period.

269 posted on 01/04/2002 6:33:22 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
That doesn't speak well for Keyes but I see very little attempt by his paid employees (who frequent these threads) to discourage any of them. It says volumes.

Well, my goodness.

Do you mean that I might be paid by the Keyes people?

I shall be more eloquent in future.

Maybe they will notice me.

HEY, OVER HERE!!!!!!!

270 posted on 01/04/2002 6:34:52 PM PST by carenot
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To: Howlin
Do we live near each other?

Didn't we chat on the Snow Thread and you said you lived in Raleigh??? We have about 10 inches here in Spring Lake!! Had a ball playing in the snow today!
271 posted on 01/04/2002 6:35:15 PM PST by GussiedUp
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To: Howlin
To: MitchellC
"...I, unlike Alan Keyes and his supporters,
aren't insisting that everybody agrees with me.
I've never declared that anybody who doesn't agree
with me on EVERY ISSUE is immoral,
as Keyes and his supporters have.
# 229 by Howlin

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Howlin, who said that good morals
require agreement with Keyes?
I don't agree with all of Keyes ideas.

You still haven't said why you dis-like Keyes.
Miss Marple listed her reasons,
even though the reasons made no sense.
What's your beef?

272 posted on 01/04/2002 6:36:05 PM PST by exodus
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To: Sunsong
What conflicting statements? Do you see me showing up on threads relating to people I don't particularly care for just to launch personal attacks or call names?
273 posted on 01/04/2002 6:36:10 PM PST by Keyes For President
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To: Keyes For President
ME: "Let me ask you this....can you take honest critcism?

YOU: "Yes. Honest criticism is good.

I notice whenever someone like Keyes offers even the slightest honest criticism of any policy of President Bush, some Bush supporters here on FR (the Bush worshippers) go ballistic. They respond with name calling and personal attacks on Keyes, while Keyes focuses on disagreements in policy.

Take a good look at this thread as an example. Merely the mention of a rumour that Alan Keyes might be hosting a show on MSNBC has elicited personal attacks against him and his character. The show doesn't even exist yet!"

Sigh, I see it's the usual type of "debate" and slipping around the issues. You made a blanket statement about "Bush worshippers and Keyes bashers" on the thread. So I assumed you had read the thread. Silly me. Let me point you toward the criticism that I address. Surely you won't address the point at hand?

As posted by me above:

"To: carenot

"It seems to be the reason most people voted for GWB."

Let me educate you there. I voted for Alan Keyes in the primary last year. I then observed his behavior after it was already obvious that he had lost the nomination (ie. at the convention) I wondered what kind of animosity he could have toward his party to withold his delegates in that way. Then I started paying closer attention to his supporters. It became very clear from there. I not only voted for GWB in the general, but I volunteered for him. Ever since then, Keyes and his supporters have done nothing but attack GWB and I have to ask why? Steve Forbes doesn't do this....."

274 posted on 01/04/2002 6:36:22 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: rdf
I have high hopes if it does happen. Alan is a media natural, and the conservative movement needs a powerful voice now, when many of its issues are submerged ... ending affirmative action, life, school choice, reduction of federal meddling in K-12 education, abolition of the income tax, defense of the marriage-based two-parent family, ... the list could be extended.

Lost, I'm afraid on the GOP establishment crowd, their ears plugged up with bushwax.

275 posted on 01/04/2002 6:37:29 PM PST by Old Fud
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To: PhiKapMom
It becomes crazy-making after a while to hear from the Keyes folks that they are the smartest, most moral, most patriotic people on the planet while at the same time they are lying

Arrogance almost always leads to delusion

276 posted on 01/04/2002 6:40:09 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: exodus
Please explain why my reasons make no sense. I think they are quite sensible.
277 posted on 01/04/2002 6:40:28 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: PhiKapMom
Why don't you admit it, keyes said that Bush was not going to win?

It really is true. You folks don't know anything about poltical campaigning. The statement that you are the only candidate who can win, that your opponent will lose is a statement made by every political candidate who is not either a frontrunner or posing as one.

Statements of this type have been used for centuries, including the Ike people about Taft, the LBJ and JFK people about each other, the Goldwater and Rockefeller people about each other, the Nixon and Reagan and Ford people about each other, and on and on. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Hamilton said it about John Adams. And THIS is Dr. Keyes big crime. It would be laughable if it were not so despicable. The ignorant trying to educate the educated.

278 posted on 01/04/2002 6:40:56 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: Howlin
He'll never get this show anyway.

Then what the Sam Hill are ya yellin' about?

279 posted on 01/04/2002 6:41:00 PM PST by Old Fud
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To: Miss Marple
"...It didn't happen because Bush was awake on all suits
and merely looked pleasant and friendly,
which is the actual point of the Presidential Debates,
regardless of what you people think."
# 269 by Miss Marple

************************

You have no honor, Miss Marple.

You want your President to look good.

I wanted a man of principles,
a leader for our country
instead of the fluff we have in office now.

Well, you got your wish.
Look at the pretty man.

280 posted on 01/04/2002 6:41:03 PM PST by exodus
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