Posted on 12/26/2001 6:59:49 PM PST by Notwithstanding
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
She also wants to bring home the message that Planned Parenthood is "more than you think."...SNIP...."A lot of people hear Planned Parenthood and think of that old political debate," said Siegel, referring to abortion. "The ongoing challenge is to get the marketing out there."
(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...
(pcl's weasel-like tactics need to be exposed - thats all)
God loves you.
Morning bump before we go offline today.
He is an angry man trying to pick a fight. I am sure God loves you too.
Do you know of an infant saved from abortion who is available for adopting? Please let me know. I would LOVE to give that child a good home. Thanks.
Hmmm. I see "responsible sexual behavior" and "testing for sexually transmitted diseases." There's also mental health counseling, life-skills training, and career assistance. Does anyone know anyone who has ever gone to Planned Parenthood for mental health counseling (except to convince them they are homosexual and that's OK) life-skills training (except for how to put on a condom) or career assistance (except for how to become an abortionist)? I didn't think so.
So I guess I can understand why people would think that sex educators were bringing programs in that are just about sex.
Does it require a low IQ to work for PP or is this just coincidence?
Shalom.
Last I heard there were fewer than 1.5 million abortions/year in the U.S. and a little over 1.5 million families waiting to adopt.
This is a common canard of the left. That those who want to stop abortions don't care about babies. But the truth is different. Outside almost every Catholic Community in the country is a sign telling unexpected mothers that the Church will take care of her every need, and the needs of her child, if she will simply agree to let the child live. Rev. Falwell's Thomas Road Baptist Church makes the same promise. And a mother can go into any Birthright or CareNet crisis pregnancy center and get all the help she needs.
PP offices are in fancy buildings with well paid staff. Crisis pregnancy centers are generally in the low rent district with volunteer staff. People give their own time and money to help, while PP takes our tax money to kill.
Those of you who support these butchers and clearly know nothing about the pro-life movement are free to take your hate speech and stick it up your a$$es. If you look into the pro-life movement you will find some of the most noble people in the world. And not a one of them kills babies for profit.
Shalom.
Shalom.
No, I accused you of repeating one of their common canards. I'm not sure that makes you a leftist. Maybe it does.
Anyway, I was a little strong in the post. I have known a lot of people in the pro-life movement and I don't know anyone - anyone - who would hesitate to adopt a child if a woman made that her requirement to reject abortion. There's no other reason to be doing this than because we love the babies and their mothers. We get nothing out of it at all.
Sorry I lost my temper.
Shalom.
Sometimes Jesus spoke the Truth quietly, with tenderness and pity.
Sometimes he used a whip, and phrases such as "brood of vipers" and "whited sepulchers."
Sometimes anger, when it is a result of injustice external to ourselves, is just anger, even inspired anger.
We're not called to be successful. We're only called to be faithful.
If you are being faithful, and your anger is just in the eyes of God, do not worry what others may think.
Say what needs to be said. God will take care of the rest.
I'll try, but no promises.
1.)Why does pro-life always end with birth?
Look a little harder. The pro-life camp is also against euthanasia. Also, it's the pro-life who are manning the food pantries, homeless shelters, prison ministries, etc. Don't forget about all those services I wrote about earlier supporting young mothers and their children. The pro-life are very pro-life. However, politically pro-life really means anti-abortion. THey are still pro-life, but they don't use that name for the other works.
I haven't seen any pro-life anguish over the women, children, and unborns dying in Afghanistan.
Who do you think has been over there ministering to them for the last 20 years? Even our president will mourn the death of every one killed by a U.S. weapon. He will tell the country, "Fortunes of war and all that sort of rot." but he will cry for them. We all do.
2.)Why are there no funerals or rites for miscarried babies? Is the unborn baby dead only if we abort it?
There are some. I wish I had known about them when my second child spontaneously aborted. My wife and I both needed one. They are only recently coming in to their own. I think it's a cultural thing. My mother told my wife, "Hey, miscarriages happen. I've had several, my mom had several. Get up out of your chair and fix me a sandwich!" It didn't do much for my mother's relationship with my wife.
3.)Why is this is the [only] thread I have ever seen here that is concerned about minorities?
Because you don't look hard enough? Because you don't know how to use the search engine? I don't know. There was a thread I saw just yesterday defending Kwanzaa.
Shalom.
Thanks brother!
I have known many pro-life activists, including directors and volunteers at crisis pregnancy centers. I hate it when they are maligned that way by someone who probably has never tried to get to know anyone in the pro-life movement.
But I still think I should have kept my temper. ;)
When Jesus was abusive, it was to the students of Scripture who really should have known better. The heathen can't help being heathen.
Shalom.
;-)
To: Gracey
For those of you hung up on the abortion issue, I will ask LOUD AND CLEAR........ what have you done to lower the abortion rate. Do you let the pregnant girls know you will adopt their babies? Do you help them through their pregnancies? Do you help them emotionally, psychologically, or offer to help them financially when they have their babies? Do you make sure that these babies don't grow up to be murderers - who you then - 18 years later - send to the electric chair? I'd like some of these questions answered by those of you who are soooo adamantly PRO LIFE!!!! Please give me your answers and/or solutions to these REALISTIC issues, instead of just harping on all the babies that are "murdered."
I served (until very recently) on the corporate board of Mom's House. We have 13 houses in 4 states. We provide free daycare and scholarships so that mothers can earn a degree and keep their babies while still being a productive member of society. We give them food, clothing, baby supplies, rides to appointments, and we arrange employment after they complete their education.
I donate the secong floor of my office to Precious Life for free. I could get $500 per month rent. So that is $6000 per year, or 20% of my yearly income. Precious life is a crisis pregnancy counseling center that provides baby clothes, supplies, testing etc for women with unplanned pregnancies. They operate a home for pregnant mothers, and arrange employmment, education, grants, scholarships, etc. They help the girls with medical appointments and medical expenses too, and provide other services too numerous to list.
My wife and I teach married couples NFP, which is as effective as the pill. This natural option, with no side effects, is 100% in accord with God's Word and His plan for limiting and spacing pregnancies (unless you want flamed, do not try to tell me NFP does not work. I'm a physician, I use it, I teach it. I know it works.) Furthermore since the pill causes early spontaneous abortions, we are offering a pro-life, safe alternative to dangerous chemical contraceptives that kill newly conceived babies.
I am also a free lance author, writing educational materials and articles on Culture of Life options to counter Culture of Death propaganda. I give talks to teens on chastity so they don't get into unplanned pregnancies in the first place. I stress the medically documented failure rates of contraceptives, especially their astronomical failure rates at preventing STD's.
And you Gracy???
You???
What are YOU doing for these moms? What are you personally doing to end abortions?
Few pro-lifers brag about their behind the scenes work. I certainly do not, but you demanded answers.
Pro-lifers do not protest abortion in a vaccuum.
They are the ONLY ones offering real help to real women, while people like you only scream and whine.
Please stop your screaming and join us pro-lifers who silently offer real alternatives while people like you offer only empty propaganda...
Do you let the pregnant girls know you will adopt their babies?
YES!!!
But most of them opt to kill them or keep them themselves. If you knew ANYTHING about the paucity of babies available for adoption, you simply would not make this point, because it plays into our hands!
There are no/few babies available for adoption because you propagandists have convinced these women its better to kill them or keep them than give them up.
You jerk.
Don't tell us about "adoption." You ass. You malicious SOB. You and your ilk have created the shortage of babies available for adoption by this kind of bilge and blather, and by your abortion on demand, and your liberal social programs that rewarded welfare recipients for having more babies and keeping them. And now you yell at us??? You wicked evil....words fail in describing your wickedness.
101 posted on 11/5/01 12:06 AM Eastern by proud2bRC
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You're the only one who answered my questions - and if true, you put your money where your mouth is. BRAVO!!! For your actions are the only CURE for this problem, IMO. I hope you keep it up.
My contribution??? I've adopted two unwanted babies, before they were even born. Also I've helped in a small way, a Black Republican for Life group in Houston. They do crisis management with young pregnant girls and young boys on drugs - and they have been VERY effective.
Again, BRAVO to you. You're RARE!!!
Thanks for your response.
102 posted on 11/5/01 12:14 AM Eastern by Gracey
[ To: Gracey
Again, BRAVO to you. You're RARE!!!
Not hardly. Most pro-lifers who do the kind of stuff I listed do it silently, humbly, suffering persecution patiently. Me? I'm too prideful to sit here and listen to this BS, so I bragged.
Pride is not rare.
The quiet humble types...they're rare, but they make up the vast majority of the militantly pro-life minority. They put the lie to the pro-abort rant that pro-lifers do nothing to aid the mother.
And quit saying "god loves us". I don't want the love of your made up god. Only in your twisted mind could God support what you do. You're a sick pervert.
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