What's your view on the accuracy of the Bible? - FREEP THIS POLL!!!

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[a contender]

In post No# 72 "The last time I talked to you the thread got yanked."

This is why it got yanked, I hope my "freedom of speech" is not stripped from me because of my convictions. But this guy doesn't want me to have the same liberties that he possesses.

To: WileyCoyote22 I really liked the thread yesterday where a_contender kept going on about the pope, the antichrist, and Roman Catholics being cookie eating idolators. I complained and the thread got deleted, but the poster did not get banned like he should have. I also like threads where the religious hyperright bait posters into arguments, and when they are confronted, they engineer a banning for the person who either caught them in a lie or fought back.

169 posted on 12/26/01 8:36 PM Central by one_particular_harbour

"ENGINEER A BANNING FOR THE PERSON WHO EITHER CAUGHT THEM IN A LIE OR FOUGHT BACK? Is that how "freerepublic" members do it? I am a bible believer. Am I not entitled to express my beliefs (and quote scriptures or use bible terms) to exercise my rights of freedom of speech? Does this poster, one_particular_harbour, truly believe in a free republic? Banning christians for quoting bible is not new to us. Worse has been done...

[RnMomof7]

I believe it is the teaching and reproof of the Holy Spirit in the believers life..it is indeed the finger of God poking me in the eye ALOT ..

[a contender]

So what exactly is science Mr. PhD?

Science is DEMONSTABLE.

[gunnedah]

I would rather believe it and be wrong than not to believe it and be wrong.It is very deep and we must remember Gods ways and mans ways are different.Man is so interested in speaking for God rather than letting God speak to him.America is still in for some tough times because of injecting things into this that are not correct.In the now famous words of of that Great American Ballplayer Yogi Berra "It ant over till its over".

[StolarStorm]

I can't see how you could rip on Catholics if you actually know your Bible history. Anyone who claims to be a Bible literalist should not be bashing the Catholic Church.

The earliest Catholic popes compiled, edited and distributed the earliest form of the Bible that we use today. The Bible in essence (as a compiled work) is a creation of the Catholic Church with inspiration from G_d.

Its hilarious to read anti-Catholic musings from those who proclaim to believe that the Bible is 100% accurate. Such Hypocracy.... and ignorance.

[a contender]

The earliest Catholic popes compiled, edited and distributed the earliest form of the Bible that we use today. The Bible in essence (as a compiled work) is a creation of the Catholic Church with inspiration from G_d.

No they didn't. Who told you that? The catholic institution had nothing to do with the Texus Receptus or the English King James 1611 av. In the preface the translaters wrote that it was the pope and his institution who tried so hard to keep them from getting those scriptures into the commoners hands. The catholic institution has always used the Alexandrian texts, the Vaticanus and the Sinaticus, these two manuscripts are not even from the same country as the Texus Receptus much less say the same thing. The vaticanus doesn't even have the book of Revelation in it. It contains the book of Barnabus which the TR never possessed. The "catholic bible" and the King James 1611 av are not from the same set of manuscripts. Two completely different books.

[StolarStorm]

I already answered those questions. Like I said before if you choose to believe something like creationism, its no skin off my back... The evolution/creationism debate doesn't make any difference one way or the other for salvation. Last thing I'd want to do is influence somebody to abandon something that gives them comfort...

My only concern about the creationism belief is that many of us out there who know that evolution of a sort is real, will be driven away from faith in G_d because of the absurdity of creationist theory. Thankfully, most ministers and priests don't have a problem with evolution as long as one realizes that G_d is behind it.

[AnalogReigns]

Luke tells us that Jesus was born at the time of the census of Quirinius. This took place in 6 AD. Yet Matthew tells us that Jesus was born during the reign of King Herod, who died in 4 BC.

Historians cannot find another reference outside the Bible to the census of Quirinius...(and there may have been more than one...). Identifying it with one done is 6 AD is a guess, nothing more. They simply can't verify when the census mentioned in the Bible was done...and the Romans did lots of tax collecting (the reasons for a census) so surely there are other local censi which we don't have record of--it was 2000 years ago after all.

Therefore its logical to conclude that Jesus and John were born before 4 BC.

Skeptics will make the census' existance a problem--since they can't find record of it elsewhere, but common sense tells us we just don't have comprehensive records of the details of Rome's history. The best way to read this is they were compelled to go to their ancestral home by the Roman dictators...not a very farfetched scenario!

[StolarStorm]

You see now that we have is a debate over WHICH Bible is the true Bible now... which goes into the "literalist" aspect of all of this. There are many versions out there. King James is perhaps the worst of the translations. Either way, the Catholic Church was the Church of your ancestors, the father of all the christian sects out there today. To trash the Catholic church is to trash all of Christianity. Yeah, I expect you to deny the foundations... you'll probably go into some rant about the Church suppressing the Bible (no printing presses duh) and BS like that.... but have fun because I don't really care. I'm not Catholic... I'm not of any ORGANIZED church.... but I think its silly to trash the Church that spread Christianity around the World.

[Elsie]

Science is DEMONSTABLE.

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Gosh! All this time I've been led to believe that those little demons were UNSTABLE!

[Elsie]

Two completely different books.

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True..........., but, NOT completely different content!

[RnMomof7]

So do you disregard all the OT....no Adam or Eve,no Noah, no Abraham..etc. At what point did God make Him self known to man?

[StolarStorm]

What are you talking about?????????????? That has nothing at all do with Genesis being a result of G_D directed evolution. Let me repeat: The correct translation of Genesis does not deny the possibility of Evolution as G_d's mechanism. What follows comes after.... comes after as specified in the Bible.

[StolarStorm]

For the Creationists: How and why do bacteria become immune to anti-biotics over time? Well????

[a contender]

For the Creationists: How and why do bacteria become immune to anti-biotics over time? Well????

Variations occurr, adaptations, a short beaked bird adapting to a new enviroment might grow a longer beak, thats called MICRO-evolution. A bacteria will never become a bird. Thats MACRO-evolution. Macro-evolution says that a bird once was a reptile, which once was a fish, which once was an ameba, which once was a rock. Thats "once upon a time" fairy tale stuff. You can believe what you want, but to believe a man came from a rock is pure fantacy.

[RnMomof7]

Well if Genesis creation is an old wives tale, where does truth begin in the Bible or is it spread out amidst the lies?

Where does the one true God begin to interact with man. Where is the sin that makes the cross a necessity?

I am just trying to figure out how one can reconcile evolution with the oT

[RnMomof7]

God put certain laws of nature into effect..like gravity..those laws are his creation..

If you are using immunity as a proof of evolution you are building on sand..Where is the missing link? How is it some creatures have never evolved and others have?

How did life begin?

[RnMomof7]

I already answered those questions.

sorry I missed it ..

So why did evolved man need Jesus? When did God promise a savior and why?

[rabbitdog]

It's (God breathed). 2Timothy 3:16-17, so you either believe it all is accurate coming from God("All Scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect(complete), throughly furnished unto all good works.") or you don't. Any other choice than literal word of God would be wrong. The Bible is a book of facts and instructions for us to follow.

[StolarStorm]

A million or perhaps a billion years worth of small changes (micro-evolution) can create very profound changes. Add a drop of water to a valley, over a million years a small lake becomes an ocean.

A billion years to an infinite G_d is like a day.