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It's time for open defiance. It's time for 60's-style civil disobedience against this growing religious oppression.

Secularism must be overthrown. And it will be.

1 posted on 12/17/2001 1:47:00 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
"may not be a legally protected right on a public school campus."

Just what in the Wild Wild World of Sports do they think the First Amendment is all about?

2 posted on 12/17/2001 1:50:24 PM PST by GingisK
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To: marshmallow
I find this quite funny (not haha funny). There was an article in my town's newpaper just a few days ago telling how the children were learning all about Hannuka (sp?). They showed a picture of the teacher lighting a menorrah (again, sp?), and the children were learning all about the game of dreidel, and just about everything else about the Jewish Holiday. I guess it's just the Christians that are being harassed.
3 posted on 12/17/2001 1:52:20 PM PST by realwoman
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You would think that it was Christians that rammed that building! We need to freep where possible guys!
4 posted on 12/17/2001 1:54:07 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: marshmallow
I often find myself at odds over "secularism" There's too much history in America ofCatholics being denied religious liberty, of being required to learn Protestant Christianity in the public schools. It was this fact that impelled Bishop John Hughes to start the first city wide Catholic parish school system in America in the 1850's.

But the anti religious zeal of public education angers me to the point of jettisoning my secular views because they have been coopted by an anti Christian cabal. A strong word, but applicable.We Catholics are fortunate enough to enjoy bigotry from both ends of the social spectrum. On the one hand we are followers of the papal anti christ while on the other we are practitioners of medieval superstition, trying to impose our Taliban like beliefs on a free society. Too many of the leaders of the fight for the right to practice religious belief are in the former category and the enemy of course is in the latter. With whom does a Catholic enlist to protect the liberty or worship and Faith??

5 posted on 12/17/2001 2:03:17 PM PST by xkaydet65
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This is the result of decades of lawsuits brought about by the aclu. School officials have been bludgeoned into submission by this subversive group, who with the complicity of their crony judges, have rewritten the constitution.

It's time to beat them at their own game by supporting the legal groups who sue back. Freedom will only come about through the courts. If not, then que sera, sera

7 posted on 12/17/2001 2:04:07 PM PST by jmp702
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It's time for open defiance. It's time for 60's-style civil disobedience against this growing religious oppression.

I agree -- let's do it.

8 posted on 12/17/2001 2:06:15 PM PST by Silly
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Secularism must be overthrown.

I'm not sure what "secularism" means exactly. But if it means non- religious, then it doesn't need to be overthrown. What needs to end is the state being involved in any way in things religious. Since we can't dissolve government schools right away (my preferred solution) then the people who attend those schools should be allowed self expression in celebrating their holidays. At Christmas, if christians are among the students they should be allowed to celebrate. If Jewish students are present at their holy times they should be given the same opportunity. Same for all students at the time of their holidays. The schools need not be involved using taxpayer money to promote or disparage these celebrations. They should keep out of any activities which do not disrupt the education process.

Christians and others ought to be left alone. IMO

9 posted on 12/17/2001 2:07:46 PM PST by Protagoras
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There are some for whom it is a religious duty to attack anything which has to do with Christ, Christianity or the birth of the Messiah. I was not surprised to read that Fran Levy is apparently one of these people and I have no doubt that for her the word "Jesus" or "Christ" is to only be used as a curse. To her the Messiah is a heretic and those who acknowledge Him are to be persecuted.
10 posted on 12/17/2001 2:09:53 PM PST by waxhaw
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BUMP!!

Merry Christmas!!

11 posted on 12/17/2001 2:10:15 PM PST by EdReform
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I asked some of the local kids. They didn't know anyting about any kwanza or ramidan symbols, but they all knew who Jesus and St. Nick were.
13 posted on 12/17/2001 2:15:07 PM PST by alaskanfan
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A Frederick County, Maryland, school employee was told by an administrator that employees would be banned from handing out Christmas cards in the school because cards with a Christian message "may not be a legally protected right on a public school campus." A fourth-grader in Ephrata, Pennsylvania, was prohibited from handing out religious Christmas cards to classmates.

I think the Supreme Court would take exception to this. The general rule is, if the organization allows similar acts on other occasions, then such activities at Christmas cannot be banned.

14 posted on 12/17/2001 2:16:44 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: marshmallow
Facts about this issue

1. The phrase "Separation of Church and State", the John 3:16 of the Athiesm movement is NOT in the Constitution. Is is a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a Baptist church. Athiest want to say that Jefferson meant no Ten Commandments/Nativity Scene/etc. in schools, despite the fact that Jefferson made no effort to remove Christianity in schools when he became president.

2. Athiest claim that the phrase in the Constitution "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" was meant by the Founding Fathers to mean that not one bit of Christianity was to be allowed in schools. They of course forget that the Founding Fathers never did this themselves. Nor did anyone else until the 1960's.

3. Athiest forget the rest of the phrase in the Constitution which says "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech". Everytime a child is punished for sharing a Christmas card, or a teacher is not allowed to display the Ten Commandments, Government officials break this part the Constitution.

4. These Government official should be removed from their office of power immediatly, if not the law, then by armed citizens.

18 posted on 12/17/2001 2:32:53 PM PST by pulaskibush
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To: marshmallow
merry christmas!!!
20 posted on 12/17/2001 2:33:22 PM PST by Red Jones
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Two ninth-graders in Plymouth, Massachusetts, were told they could not create Christmas cards that say "Merry Christmas" or depict a nativity scene.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof";

I think that quite a few lawsuits are in order.

21 posted on 12/17/2001 2:49:07 PM PST by Polybius
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