Christmas Symbols Don't Make The Grade In US Schools.

EWTN ^ | 12/16/01

[marshmallow]

It's time for open defiance. It's time for 60's-style civil disobedience against this growing religious oppression.

Secularism must be overthrown. And it will be.

[GingisK]

"may not be a legally protected right on a public school campus."

Just what in the Wild Wild World of Sports do they think the First Amendment is all about?

[realwoman]

I find this quite funny (not haha funny). There was an article in my town's newpaper just a few days ago telling how the children were learning all about Hannuka (sp?). They showed a picture of the teacher lighting a menorrah (again, sp?), and the children were learning all about the game of dreidel, and just about everything else about the Jewish Holiday. I guess it's just the Christians that are being harassed.

[RnMomof7]

You would think that it was Christians that rammed that building! We need to freep where possible guys!

[xkaydet65]

I often find myself at odds over "secularism" There's too much history in America ofCatholics being denied religious liberty, of being required to learn Protestant Christianity in the public schools. It was this fact that impelled Bishop John Hughes to start the first city wide Catholic parish school system in America in the 1850's.

But the anti religious zeal of public education angers me to the point of jettisoning my secular views because they have been coopted by an anti Christian cabal. A strong word, but applicable.We Catholics are fortunate enough to enjoy bigotry from both ends of the social spectrum. On the one hand we are followers of the papal anti christ while on the other we are practitioners of medieval superstition, trying to impose our Taliban like beliefs on a free society. Too many of the leaders of the fight for the right to practice religious belief are in the former category and the enemy of course is in the latter. With whom does a Catholic enlist to protect the liberty or worship and Faith??

[jmp702]

This is the result of decades of lawsuits brought about by the aclu. School officials have been bludgeoned into submission by this subversive group, who with the complicity of their crony judges, have rewritten the constitution.

It's time to beat them at their own game by supporting the legal groups who sue back. Freedom will only come about through the courts. If not, then que sera, sera

[Silly]

It's time for open defiance. It's time for 60's-style civil disobedience against this growing religious oppression.

I agree -- let's do it.

[Protagoras]

Secularism must be overthrown.

I'm not sure what "secularism" means exactly. But if it means non- religious, then it doesn't need to be overthrown. What needs to end is the state being involved in any way in things religious. Since we can't dissolve government schools right away (my preferred solution) then the people who attend those schools should be allowed self expression in celebrating their holidays. At Christmas, if christians are among the students they should be allowed to celebrate. If Jewish students are present at their holy times they should be given the same opportunity. Same for all students at the time of their holidays. The schools need not be involved using taxpayer money to promote or disparage these celebrations. They should keep out of any activities which do not disrupt the education process.

Christians and others ought to be left alone. IMO

[waxhaw]

There are some for whom it is a religious duty to attack anything which has to do with Christ, Christianity or the birth of the Messiah. I was not surprised to read that Fran Levy is apparently one of these people and I have no doubt that for her the word "Jesus" or "Christ" is to only be used as a curse. To her the Messiah is a heretic and those who acknowledge Him are to be persecuted.

[EdReform]

BUMP!!

Merry Christmas!!

[boop]

I remember being in 3rd grade (1976) and one of my classmate's grandmother came in and told the class about Hanukkah. I remember being enthralled by her stories. I didn't know anything about Judaism or Jewish celebrations at the time. I just found it fascinating. Too bad anti-religious freaks hate ANYTHING that may in any way involve God.

[alaskanfan]

I asked some of the local kids. They didn't know anyting about any kwanza or ramidan symbols, but they all knew who Jesus and St. Nick were.

[DallasDeb]

A Frederick County, Maryland, school employee was told by an administrator that employees would be banned from handing out Christmas cards in the school because cards with a Christian message "may not be a legally protected right on a public school campus." A fourth-grader in Ephrata, Pennsylvania, was prohibited from handing out religious Christmas cards to classmates.

I think the Supreme Court would take exception to this. The general rule is, if the organization allows similar acts on other occasions, then such activities at Christmas cannot be banned.

[Cosmologist]

This is not just in relationship to the ACLU but our own silence on the issues that makes this country what it is. We have only ourselves to blame for not standing up and publicly speaking the truth about it. Everyone drives a car around ith plenty of flat space called a rear window to place a sign stating the truth but do we. Nope! We are afraid of what someone will think of us or someone may key my car. Oh what a sacrifice that would be. I to think it is time to stand and be heard and will do what it takes even if it means someone may key my car. Happened two weeks ago at the Western Video Show at the Anahiem Convention Center cause someone didn't like the foolowing sign on my rear window. "Anthrax is Currable AIDS is not - QUEER Aint it?" What kind of a scoiety are our children going to have because of our actions or inactions today?

[Hacksaw]

This is the result of decades of lawsuits brought about by the aclu. School officials have been bludgeoned into submission by this subversive group, who with the complicity of their crony judges, have rewritten the constitution.

Howver, people have begun to fight back. Jay Seculow's American Center for Law and Justice has been stepping up to the plate to fight the ACLU. Secondly, a law school has been founded (Ave Maria) to defend legal attacks on the Catholic Church and Christianity. People are fighting back.

[jmp702]

our own silence on the issues that makes this country what it is. We have only ourselves to blame for not standing up and publicly speaking the truth about it.

I couldn't agree with you more. On the one hand, we are propagandized as to what is proper thought by the bombardment of the media, and on the other hand, the aclu and similar organizations legislate from the bench with nary a whisper from the politically correct populace-- except here, or course..:)

This is the brilliance of this site. It allows us to (particularly some of us who live in ultra-leftist communities) to be emboldened to fight the fight.

[pulaskibush]

Facts about this issue

1. The phrase "Separation of Church and State", the John 3:16 of the Athiesm movement is NOT in the Constitution. Is is a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a Baptist church. Athiest want to say that Jefferson meant no Ten Commandments/Nativity Scene/etc. in schools, despite the fact that Jefferson made no effort to remove Christianity in schools when he became president.

2. Athiest claim that the phrase in the Constitution "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" was meant by the Founding Fathers to mean that not one bit of Christianity was to be allowed in schools. They of course forget that the Founding Fathers never did this themselves. Nor did anyone else until the 1960's.

3. Athiest forget the rest of the phrase in the Constitution which says "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech". Everytime a child is punished for sharing a Christmas card, or a teacher is not allowed to display the Ten Commandments, Government officials break this part the Constitution.

4. These Government official should be removed from their office of power immediatly, if not the law, then by armed citizens.

[jmp702]

Jay Seculow's American Center for Law and Justice

Exactly who was in mind when I mentioned we have to fight back through the courts.

In fact, I am off to make a "Christmas" donation.

[Red Jones]

merry christmas!!!