Posted on 12/17/2001 12:32:10 PM PST by NC_Libertarian
DU discusses libertarianism. I thought some of you might find this interesting:
Morality does not stem from the Government, yet the Government is capable of acting immorally. The Government should concern itself with the laws of man, and leave the laws of God (morality) in the hands of God, family, friends, and churches. Is that so difficult to comprehend?
Ignorance.
Pacificists all live in the Pacific Ocean.
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Good question. Gun control, like abortion, and most other single issues, traverse the political spectrum, with both conservatives and liberals, both left and right appearing on both sides of the issue. So be for you begin, don't get defined as a rightwing, conservative. Not even a libertarian one. These people only half listen to anyone they so define. The reason for that is another topic.
Next never assume you know an opinion until you here it. Their are more kinds of liberals than their are conservatives. Try to know your liberal audience, and keep in mind that the single issue anti-gun advocates are no more liberals than you are. They will not treat the liberals there as allies, but as nothing more than a target audience, for the single purpose of bringing you down. So you must identify with the audience.
When arguing for the right to own and carry a gun with liberals (I'm defining here as those who call themselves such), stay away from mentioning any phrases found in the second amendment. Also stay away from ever mentioning the second amendment. To them it proves nothing. Avoiding trigger words is the name of the game. Remember that the anti-gun advocate is playing a game of tactics and strategy. They are not going to try and win it all in a single argument. So if you don't have staying power - give it up.
I hope I adequately covered the do nots. Now all you need do is identify with the audience and why they might desire either having a fire arm for themselves, or feel safer knowing that their neighbors do. I personally like arguing that government will only stay in line so long as their is armed citizens. Recently, I have had a lot of success pointing out how young black gang members control their neighborhoods because the adult middle aged black males are not even allowed to protect their own families due to crimes they themselves committed 20 years earlier. They thereby loose control of their own kids.
Just remember each group of liberals are completely different from the next group. If you don't recognize any differences, then you ought to give it up.
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Let's see....abolish the "racist" death penalty, end the "racist" war on drugs (this was a favorite of George McGovern and currently a major plank in the Socialist Party), end "discriminating" laws that support traditional marriage, have open borders, stop evil George Bush from bombing the poor terrorists in Afghanistan, and allow abortion of demand while being "personally" against it (a favorite of "moderate" Democrats). Yep. Sounds conservative to me. Not.
Interestingly, you failed to include the part about the drugs. :)
Perhaps not in your definition, but certainly in your mindset.
LOL, I think both sides are watching the other - implanting their moles, etc. I learned of DU from FR posts and then go there, and see posts refering back to FR. I've even seen two threads linked together.
Your drugs have been put in the mail as we speak, I've already notified Postal Authorities. Be Worried, be Very, Very Worried. They've got you this time, you freak. ;-(
1. Many libertarians support the death penalty. Those who oppose it generally do not do so on mythical grounds of "racism".
2. Again, racism has nothing to do with why the WOD should end.
3. Most libertarians, and the national LP, support the war in Afghanistan. Harry Browne does not speak for everyone.
4. Most libertarians support the repeal of Roe v Wade and allowing states to prohibit abortion if they choose to. That's pretty pro-life in today's political climate.
Sounds conservative to me. Not.
So you've established that libertarianism is different than conservatism. This is true, just as it is true that libertarianism is even more different than liberalism. Libertarians and conservatives at least agree that individual rights and limited government are critical to maintaining a free republic, while liberals are opposed to both concepts.
A libertarian wouldn't part that fast with his dope. At least not for free. They're known as goofy and cheap SOBs.
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