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BREAKING: FLIGHT BEING HELD IN SEA-TAC FOR POSSIBE SMALLPOX!
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Posted on 12/07/2001 1:46:46 PM PST by Patriot

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To: Zorobabel
When does smallpox become infectious?

From this thread:

Clinical Features

The incubation period of smallpox is usually 12-14 days (range 7-17) during which there is no evidence of viral shedding. During this period, the person looks and feels healthy and cannot infect others. The incubation period is followed by the sudden onset of influenza-like symptoms including fever, malaise, headache, prostration, severe back pain and, less often, abdominal pain and vomiting. Two to three days later, the temperature falls and the patient feels somewhat better, at which time the characteristic rash appears, first on the face, hands and forearms and then after a few days progressing to the trunk. Lesions also develop in the mucous membranes of the nose and mouth, and ulcerate very soon after their formation, releasing large amounts of virus into the mouth and throat.

The centrifugal distribution of lesions, more prominent on the face and extremities than on the trunk, is a distinctive diagnostic feature of smallpox and gives the trained eye cause to suspect the disease. Lesions progress from macules to papules, to vesicles, to pustules. All lesions in a given area progress together through these stages. From 8 to 14 days after the onset of symptoms, the pustules form scabs which leave depressed, depigmented scars upon healing.

Smallpox was sometimes confused with chickenpox, a worldwide infection of children that is seldom lethal. Chickenpox can be distinguished from smallpox by its much more superficial lesions, their presence more on the trunk than on the face and extremities, and by the development of successive crops of lesions in the same area. Smallpox is a disease which can be easily diagnosed by trained health workers without the need for laboratory support. During the eradication campaign, WHO produced training materials designed to help health staff recognize smallpox, distinguish it from chickenpox, and avoid common diagnostic errors. These materials are now available electronically. (A WHO slide set on the diagnosis of smallpox can be found at http://www.who.int/emc/diseases/smallpox/slideset/index.htm).

Infectivity

Persons carrying the virus during the incubation period cannot infect others. The frequency of infection is highest after face-to-face contact with a patient once fever has begun and during the first week of rash, when the virus is released via the respiratory tract. Although patients remain infectious until the last scabs fall off, the large amounts of virus shed from the skin are not highly infectious. Exposure to patients in the late stages of the disease is much less likely to produce infection in susceptible contacts. As a precaution, WHO isolation policy during the eradication campaign required that patients remain in isolation, in hospital or at home, until the last scab had separated.

101 posted on 12/07/2001 2:20:02 PM PST by Dixie Mom
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To: matamoros
You know, most of us realize how bad small pox is, I don't think we really need disgusting pictures posted without warning, especially during dinner time.

In the future would you mind exercising a bit more discretion?

102 posted on 12/07/2001 2:21:27 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: matamoros
I know you're just trying to be helpful, but we've all seen the photos. Posting them here may serve to create a sense of panic for people reading the thread. Just MHO.
103 posted on 12/07/2001 2:21:35 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: isom35
allow me to play dumb guy and ask: if there are only 2 smallpox deals left, ours and russia's under lock and key, where might other small pox come from?

Nowhere else.

104 posted on 12/07/2001 2:22:30 PM PST by backup
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To: VA Advogado
New Jersey, or Florida. I heard that Hamas has cells in those two states too. Wonder if they were part of 911 also.
105 posted on 12/07/2001 2:22:37 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: isom35
Cannot be made in basement. Only if there was some sort of security breach here or in Russia, where someone got some of it out, would it be possible to reintroduce it. There is one GREAT advantage we have against it. Once exposed, it takes at least 3 days to incubate. Innoculation, if the vaccine is available, before the 3 days are up, immunizes one BEFORE it can begin the disease process, and the disease will not take.
106 posted on 12/07/2001 2:23:01 PM PST by Two Thirds Vote Aye
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To: Zorobabel; Dixie Mom
When does smallpox become infectious?

See 101. :-)

107 posted on 12/07/2001 2:23:07 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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To: ladyinred
Agree we need to take the calls seriously...having said that, there will come a point in time when we DON'T take them seriously, and so, when we let down our guard, will they go ahead with their plot?

Sort of like the little boy who cried "wolf"...no one would listen to him when the real one showed up. We ALL remember that little story.

sw

108 posted on 12/07/2001 2:23:39 PM PST by spectre
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To: VA Advogado
**It was someone calling to check if they served HAM HOCKS on that flight.**

...or small pork.

109 posted on 12/07/2001 2:23:52 PM PST by Tall_Texan
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To: Tall_Texan
I don't think you can conclude that they only target american airlines. If anything, terrorists are oportunistic. They happened to choose american airlines, as there was no other option for them to get the timing of the events down. Much easier to find four or more of the thousands of domestic flights that are near your 'targets' rather than trying to get flights based from overseas synchronized.
110 posted on 12/07/2001 2:23:58 PM PST by freeasinbeer
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To: Ridin' Shotgun
Do ya think we'll be reading the transcripts of all the telephone calls from this plane?
111 posted on 12/07/2001 2:24:24 PM PST by horsewhispersc
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To: isom35
allow me to play dumb guy and ask: if there are only 2 smallpox deals left, ours and russia's under lock and key, where might other small pox come from? synthetic smallpox made in a basement?

Those are the only official small pox left.

The Soviets grew lots of it for use in germ warfare. It is believed other countries, including N. Korea have also developed it as germ warfare. Iraq is a key question.

If it is used by terrorists it could be from Russian black market or from a regime, such as Iraq or N. Korea.

Growing it as a weapon would not need access to the two official stores.

112 posted on 12/07/2001 2:25:19 PM PST by tallhappy
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To: Lois
If this turns out to be anything, it will be someone who knew that someone on the plane was bringing it into the country, and maybe by vial. New Jersey is a coincidence here and so is the fact that we just completed our Afghan "takeover". So I am being open-minded so far, but then I live 1/2 hour from the airport.
113 posted on 12/07/2001 2:25:22 PM PST by MarMema
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To: mdittmar
LOL and keep them comin! ;-)
114 posted on 12/07/2001 2:30:37 PM PST by horsewhispersc
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To: OnSafariInBlueZone
Let's just quarrantine New Jersey. (no offense to Jersey Freepers, I live in CA. not much better)

This is addressed to all.

The vaccine, if given early enough, and today would be, will stave off a case of small pox.

This would mean the people exposed would not get sick, but would still be contagious for a bit.

There would not necessarily need to be a strict quarentine. But, everyone they come in contact with would need to be vaccinated as well.

If this true and people have been exposed (in other words it is not that it is in a vial or something -- and I think, and pray, this will turn out to be a hoax) it can be dealt with so that no one gets sick and there is no transmission of any significant sort.

Actually, if something like this is to happen, having it occur on an airplane in such a manner is one of the best scenarios imaginable in terms of dealing with it.

115 posted on 12/07/2001 2:31:04 PM PST by tallhappy
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To: Dixie Mom
Thanks for the info. That would seem to make it difficult for someone to spread it deliberately.
116 posted on 12/07/2001 2:31:37 PM PST by Zorobabel
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People on this plane must be freaking out!
117 posted on 12/07/2001 2:31:45 PM PST by americalost
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Actually, most people under forty years of age don't know what smallpox looks like. It's never been an issue in our lifetimes.

You don't wanna risk seeing smallpox pustules, then don't open a "smallpox" thread. Simple as that.

118 posted on 12/07/2001 2:31:51 PM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Patriot
Nothing on CNN right now (6:25 est).
119 posted on 12/07/2001 2:31:59 PM PST by It'salmosttolate
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To: tallhappy
It is not unknown and is very serious and very scary.

Have you ever been in the middle of a smallpox epidemic? Do you know exactly what to expect? Would you and your family be forced against your will to stay in the vacinity of people who are dying from a dreadful disease, or would you be allowed to leave? Have you ever experienced any of this in your country in your lifetime? No?

That's the "fear of the unknown" to which I was referring.

We're actually more knowlegable about what to expect from smallpox than we were about anthrax, at least from an epidemiological standpoint.

I think you just didn't understand what I was trying to say.

120 posted on 12/07/2001 2:32:59 PM PST by Nita Nupress
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