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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: BobJ;Lazamataz;BADJOE;Jim Robinson
In keeping with the challenge presented at the top of this thread, I have been studying the issue of the Inaugural Ball video tape. My review of available threads, as well as other information I have collected has raised a few questions. Perhaps each of you could address any issue of which you have knowledge.

1. Did Lazamataz use the Lee Greenwood song, "God Bless the USA" in his video presentation that was shown to paying guests at the Inaugural Ball last year? If so, did he receive permission from the author?

2. Was this song also included in the FReeper Ball video that was promoted and sold on Free Republic, and if so, was permission received for its use?

3. Was any royalty paid to Mr. Greenwood out of the sales proceeds from this video?

4. How many units of the video were sold, and how much revenue was generated from these sales?

5. If permission was not received from Mr. Greenwood, upon what legal theory are you relying to use his song in a commercial video production about Free Republic without such permission?

6. Does the sale of a video about Free Republic, using threads on the website to promote such sale, constitute a commercial activity as it pertains to the question of whether FR is entitled to the fair use defense?

As always, thanks in advance for your attention to these very relevant questions!

3,281 posted on 02/19/2002 6:57:38 PM PST by Z2
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To: Z2
Lemme' guess, you're going for the "pompous ass of the deacade" award?

Do you represent Mr. Greenwood?

Is any of this relevant to current affairs?

3,282 posted on 02/19/2002 7:07:17 PM PST by unamused
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3,283 posted on 02/19/2002 7:10:35 PM PST by firewalk
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To: Z2
Well, I have no idea. The video was simply a recording of what took place at our ball. I doubt there are any copyright violations. And the ticket, t-shirt and video sales were conducted to try to raise funds to pay for the ball. I doubt that any third party, government agency or court would have any problems with that.
3,284 posted on 02/19/2002 7:24:37 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, I have no idea.

Thanks, Jim. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me. I would be interested in what BobJ and Laz have to offer on the subject, inasmuch as it appears to have been their project. I notice Laz raised the question on one of the FReeper Ball threads, so I know the issue was discussed at some level.

Could you speak to the issue of how many units were sold, and how much revenue was generated, or would BADJOE be a better source for that data?

3,285 posted on 02/19/2002 7:36:41 PM PST by Z2
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To: Z2
No need. If you've got a valid complaint, sue us. Until then shove it.
3,286 posted on 02/19/2002 7:45:40 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Z2
I would like to give you immediate and detailed answers to the pressing questions you put forth. Please, read closely, for the answers are quite detailed:

Question 1. Did Lazamataz use the Lee Greenwood song, "God Bless the USA" in his video presentation that was shown to paying guests at the Inaugural Ball last year? If so, did he receive permission from the author?

Answer 1. Bite me.

2. Was this song also included in the FReeper Ball video that was promoted and sold on Free Republic, and if so, was permission received for its use?

Answer 2. Bite me.

3. Was any royalty paid to Mr. Greenwood out of the sales proceeds from this video?

Answer 3. Bite me.

4. How many units of the video were sold, and how much revenue was generated from these sales?

Answer 4. Bite me.

5. If permission was not received from Mr. Greenwood, upon what legal theory are you relying to use his song in a commercial video production about Free Republic without such permission?

Answer 5. Bite me.

6. Does the sale of a video about Free Republic, using threads on the website to promote such sale, constitute a commercial activity as it pertains to the question of whether FR is entitled to the fair use defense?

Answer 6. Bite me.

Now, though we have thoroughly covered the questions you have posed, if you have failed to bite me, or, if you have any future questions about this or any other matter, please feel free to bite me.

3,287 posted on 02/19/2002 7:52:07 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Jim Robinson
No need. If you've got a valid complaint, sue us. Until then shove it.

BTW: Guess who sang at several of President G.W. Bushes ceremonies and presentations?

Why, that's right: Lee Greenwood.

Gee, I wonder where his loyalties and polticial affiliations lie? ;^)

3,288 posted on 02/19/2002 7:56:26 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Jim Robinson
There is no other site like Free Republic. It would be a huge loss if it went away.
3,289 posted on 02/19/2002 8:00:44 PM PST by hove
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To: Lazamataz
BTW: Guess who sang at several of President G.W. Bushes ceremonies and presentations?

Why, that's right: Lee Greenwood.

Laz,

Does the fact that Mr. Greenwood is a conservative give you or FR the right to use his property without permission? Or did you get permission?

3,290 posted on 02/19/2002 8:06:54 PM PST by Z2
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To: Z2
Are you relate to the Morning star?
3,291 posted on 02/19/2002 8:11:10 PM PST by restornu
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To: Z2
May I get in on this discussion?

If we are forming a line, Z2, you can bite me also.

3,292 posted on 02/19/2002 8:12:16 PM PST by doug from upland
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To: Z2
Does the fact that Mr. Greenwood is a conservative give you or FR the right to use his property without permission? Or did you get permission?

While it appears my explanation was quite thorough, I must remind you that it is extremely important that you bite me immediately. Please confine yourself to the left cheek at this time.

If you make any mistakes, make sure you have deep pockets, my friend. :o) And in the process of various actions, I will even determine your name, serving address, and everything! Neat! :o)

3,293 posted on 02/19/2002 8:13:24 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Z2
Z2, is a Modern day Viper!
3,294 posted on 02/19/2002 8:14:34 PM PST by restornu
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To: doug from upland
Sounds like a liberal escaped the nut house. This He/she waited since Dec to post this turd dropping. Bet this he/she just got out. LOL
3,295 posted on 02/19/2002 8:17:25 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Z2
Ummm...Dude...!

Laz appears to have answered your questions quite succinctly; yet you have failed to answer mine.
This becomes your business...exactly how??

3,296 posted on 02/19/2002 8:20:44 PM PST by unamused
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To: Lazamataz
Thanks, Laz. I'm merely asking questions on a thread created for that purpose. And giving you every opportunity to make your own case. You're doing a great job, so far! Congratulations!
3,297 posted on 02/19/2002 8:21:45 PM PST by Z2
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To: unamused
Laz appears to have answered your questions quite succinctly

He's appearing ungrateful. I really went out of my way to explain all the intricities of the situation here!

3,298 posted on 02/19/2002 8:22:23 PM PST by Lazamataz
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To: Z2
Thanks, Laz. I'm merely asking questions on a thread created for that purpose. And giving you every opportunity to make your own case. You're doing a great job, so far! Congratulations!

Glad to help!

Feel free to proceed to the right cheek.

3,300 posted on 02/19/2002 8:24:43 PM PST by Lazamataz
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