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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: Jim Robinson
Is the following excerpt in bold an accurate statement?

Appeal Brief of Appellants.
Case: Free Republic v. LA Times and Washington Post, U.S.
Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, Docket No. 00-57211.
Re: Online copyright infringement and fair use.
Date filed: April 16, 2001.

As set forth in the Statement of Facts, infra, Appellant Jim Robinson started the site as a hobby. The site is supported by contributions from users and Robinson takes no salary or benefits.[27]

Dated: April 16, 2001

Respectfully submitted,

Brian L. Buckley
Attorney for defendants-appellants
Free Republic, Jim Robinson and
Electronic Orchard

http://www.techlawjournal.com/courts/freerep/20010416.asp

3,021 posted on 12/02/2001 1:45:12 PM PST by Z2
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To: A Navy Vet
Correction: I've never been a "rep" of FR...just another guy working with some great people.

I probably should have said "advocate for FR" instead. I didn't mean to imply that you were there in some official capacity.

And truth be known, I had hoped your site would build bridges.

Me too!

The downfall IMO: Eschoir & NIC (aka Mojo)

Yep. And the thousand faces of JenLart, and my inability to moderate 24/7, the limitations of Delphi software, certain FReepers and AFer's bearing ill-will under many uncrackable guises, etc.

It was one heck of a ride while it lasted. LOL.

OK...I promised Jim Rob and myself that I would not freep his forum, so, farewell ANV. Maybe we'll cross pathes "out there" again sometime.

3,022 posted on 12/02/2001 1:47:24 PM PST by Arator
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To: unsycophant
Can you tell me exactly what you're shooting at me for? Do you take some delight in covering this same ground over and over and over? Did you ever run track, where you start in one place, expend a tremendous amount of effort, and end up right back in the same place? If so, did you ever stop?
3,023 posted on 12/02/2001 1:47:56 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Howlin
Ahhhhh. but at a nickle per post... Let's see. .05 X ... = Well you get the idea.....
3,024 posted on 12/02/2001 1:49:46 PM PST by deport
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To: Z2
"Has Free Republic ever employed a display board at CPAC and elsewhere purporting to represent its "Nonprofit Corporations?"

They were working on it at the time. So what if they might have jumped the gun in announcing. IF that's the case, people make mistakes, organizations which are made of people make mistakes, even professionally operated coorperations make mistakes. Where the hell is your commonsense?

On a related point which JR already mentioned, I was informed long ago that an outside law firm was handling the incorporations and knew the approximate figure to do so. The $7,000 something is a little high but not out of line for 3 corps, including tax-exempt filing (which requires a little research) in the state of California. So on that point, I can attest to JR's veracity. Rebuttal?

3,025 posted on 12/02/2001 1:51:43 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: John Robinson; Howlin
Why bother explaining yourself to these dweebs? The jealousy and spite they exhibit....even if you guys had to pay to run FR out of your own pockets and never accepted a donation from ANYONE, they would not be satisfied. It parallels Arafats pursuit of Israel. Do they want land or a Nation? No. They want to wipe them out. Terrorists. Maybe the term AF should be changed to TF (Terrorist Freepers, but then they aren't freepers...maybe freaks?)

You have more patience than I do. Time to go on the offense. Let's see their bankrolls!

Pssstt..BTW is the "t" in tpaine stand for "total"? Just curious.

3,026 posted on 12/02/2001 1:51:57 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Jim Robinson; All
I'm coming into this late, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents. When you said that Arator was an anti-freeper, I was surprised... because as long as I've known Mark, he has never been one of them, even after everything he's been through. Just posting on those sites doesn't make one an anti-freeper. (If that were the case, then I guess appy-pappy, lazamataz, harrowup, Deb and other freepers are 'AF-ers')

There is a difference between banned Freepers who may disagree w/ your policies.... and hateful anti-FReepers whose goal is bring down Free Republic.

Personally, I wish all of those people who wish to "bring down" FR would just get a life and go away. Their obsession is unhealthy. (Remember...its just the internet, folks! Get a grip!)

3,027 posted on 12/02/2001 1:53:55 PM PST by incindiary
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To: Howlin
I've made over 6500 posts to FR since April 2001 - tp -

Chump change, my friend.

That was an example, -- I wasn't boasting. Are you?

BTW, do you want to be the one who tells the people who really cannot afford to come here using "pay for play" that they can't come on FR?

Nope, and that need not be a probem. - Give everyone a hundred posts a month, before you start the 'guilt meter' running.
You got any better ideas yourself? - Lets hear them..

I give MORE so everybody can come.

Yep, you are so special.

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I'm not special at all. I'm a compassionate conservative, unlike you who wants to limit people's speech on a site you don't even own.

A typical reply. - You ignore my points & questions, and instead make a straw man accusation about 'limiting speech', and finish with an inane remark about owning this site.

Our 'conversation' is over.

3,028 posted on 12/02/2001 1:54:33 PM PST by tpaine
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
The Anti-Freeperban?
3,029 posted on 12/02/2001 1:54:40 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Z2
Look, you are missing the purpose and intent. The time for twenty questions is over. If you AFers want to back up the accusations of fraud and criminal intent that you've have been making for the last two or three years against me, then get your evidence together and lets get it on. You've been researching into my background, into my taxes, into my personal finances, into my social security account, my credit history, my mortgage, into the lives of my family members and business associates, even to the point (claimed on many of your AF boards) of submitting accusations of criminality to the FBI, the USSS, the IRS, the SSA, the state taxing authorities, the CA Attorney General and who knows who else. If you've got some specific evidence or charges against me, post them. otherwise, I repeat, shut the hell up. I've got a hunch that the excrement is about to hit the rotating oscillator (not instigated by me, btw), but when it hits, it's gonna get nasty mighty fast. You and your AF comrades can count on it.
3,030 posted on 12/02/2001 1:55:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: tpaine
Hey, pal, I'm not the one who brought up paying post. That would be you
3,031 posted on 12/02/2001 1:55:51 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jim Robinson; John Robinson
Don't even...

think

...of pulling FR.

(Ya' want me to have to give you a thermonuclear head noogie, or something...?!?!)
;-)

3,032 posted on 12/02/2001 1:59:34 PM PST by unamused
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To: Jim Robinson; John Robinson; BADJOE; ironman; Howlin
Jim, if you want, I think a fundraiser to assist in a libel and slander lawsuit against these people would be a great cause on FR, and I would be glad to help. I know some good attorneys who might give some good advice on who to go to for help with libel and slander on the inernet made against you, as well as the harassment, and let's not forget to inquire to the FBI and others if these people are making fraudulent statements to Government Officials. That is a felony, I am sure of it. Same as yelling "bomb" on an airplane.
3,034 posted on 12/02/2001 2:01:03 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Z2
It is accurate. I am not an employee. I take no salary or benefits. Free Republic has no employees and never has had.
3,035 posted on 12/02/2001 2:02:57 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Arator
"During the hey-dey of Reunion, when it really looked like it could be the platform for a very positive exchange between frustrated AFer's, exiled FReepers, and FReeper PTB's,..."

You must be joking or smoking weed. There was no heyday and there was no platform. Your site went into the toilet the moment you let the Afers in. They have NO desire for ANY kind of positive exchange.

3,036 posted on 12/02/2001 2:03:51 PM PST by Bob J
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To: Jim Robinson
(not instigated by me, btw)

And I thought you were the one who started this thread, inviting all this scrutiny and answering all these questions.

Since you seem to be threatening me, this thread is evidence, so please don't delete it.

Have a nice day, Jim.

3,037 posted on 12/02/2001 2:05:40 PM PST by Z2
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
Well, I'm a bit leery of filing suits myself, have not had much luck in this area recently, but I've been receiving hints that there may be one coming my way. I may not be adverse to filing counterclaims if and when they become necessary.
3,038 posted on 12/02/2001 2:07:11 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
JimRob,I'm standing and applauding you. You have been more than patient with these folks. And bless their souls, they've inspired me, but not in the way they might've hoped. They've only convinced me beyond any doubt of what I've known for a long time. You're a decent, straight up guy. Thanks to them I'll be upping my support of your site! LOL! Thanks again!
3,039 posted on 12/02/2001 2:07:40 PM PST by firewalk
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To: Z2
The coming lawsuit that I've been hearing about is not instigated by me. Have a nice day yourself.
3,040 posted on 12/02/2001 2:09:32 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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