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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Inspector, I heard you heartfelt conversation on the Yahoo chatboard and how sorry you were about the incident. I am glad you have been given a reprieve to come back to FR. I didn't read all your posts on this thread (lordy lordy it would be hard to find them all) but I hope you are going to (be able to) stick around and contribute to other threads and the betterment of the forum into the future. I believe you are sincere and always enjoyed your posts when you were here. Good luck, Inspector, and put down that .44!
2,561 posted on 11/30/2001 5:06:54 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Yeah..they don't make any personal attacks over on their websites, right? Totally out of character for them...
2,562 posted on 11/30/2001 5:07:11 PM PST by diotima
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To: TLBSHOW
His attack should not be repeated. Suffice it to say, it was offensive and expressly in violation of the posted guidelines.
2,563 posted on 11/30/2001 5:07:30 PM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: TLBSHOW
It was terrible.
2,564 posted on 11/30/2001 5:08:05 PM PST by firewalk
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To: diotima
I didn't say that, Dio. Why put words in my mouth? The attack launched against Howlin by the (now banned) poster had nothing to do with anything of concern to the AF community, and to pretend he was an AFer is crazy, not to mention stupid. In fact, none of that freak's posts had anything to do with FR/AF issues.

That's what I meant. I'm not pretending the AF community is innocent of anything.

Regards,
Callahan

2,565 posted on 11/30/2001 5:13:44 PM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, I am one of the oldie freepers. I thrive reading this site. If there is a night that I cannot get into the site, I become frazzled, discomboobilated, disjointed, and physically shaky.

I have learned so much from the people on this site. There are brilliant, talented, informed individuals and I admire so many of them! I learn from those people on a daily basis. I have some favorites and consider their wisdom to that of a favored "aunt or uncle", which to me is a compliment. I consider the people on this site, and you, as my internet family.

We have made it through Clinton. I needed you during that time, because I hated him and his regime so much. We need you still, because there is still so much in the world and the media that isn't all that it appears.

We need a site for truth, to explore and to search out the answers to puzzling situations. I still get a buzz when the tin foil hats come out. I actually like that :) I will contribute. The check is in the mail. Thank you. I will help out yearly as I tend to forget monthly donations.

2,566 posted on 11/30/2001 5:21:25 PM PST by jcmfreedom
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To: jcmfreedom
This got boring, all of a sudden. Thread killer!
2,567 posted on 11/30/2001 5:35:03 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: Cyber Liberty
Thread Killer

You just want it to get to 3,000, don't you?

2,568 posted on 11/30/2001 5:38:49 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: Arator
Still at it, eh?

Come to think of it, my banishment is torturous, was carried out by a secret squad, and involved a quick, unappealable judgement.

Pshaw. This group of Z2, IHC, Arator, etc, seems to have the knack of being over-dramatic. The above post, while not made directly by Arator, just confirms that point. When "banishment" from a Internet discussion site is considered torture, that nicely sums up the cognitive facilties of those making or forwarding such tripe.

2,569 posted on 11/30/2001 5:43:12 PM PST by Fury
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To: Arator; Inspector Harry Callahan; amundsen
Guys... how many times was A+Bert banned? How many times was he reinstated? He was vulgar and rude and often posted racist posts in a fit of rage, yet he often made appeal, and was given posting priveleges back.

The difference is, he didn't go to other sites and badmouth FR. He probably just quietly lobbied, apologized to Jim, maybe even got a letter of recommendation from another poster.

Look, I understand pride, and you guys seem like proud men. And when you say "Come to think of it, my banishment is torturous, was carried out by a secret squad, and involved a quick, unappealable judgement" I fully understand your point, but just don't agree that it's so harsh or so mysterious. I've never been banned (I have been warned, though) and I have not hit the abuse button, but crap happens. Sometimes you say the wrong things, and sometimes they are read on the wrong day. The difference is how you handle it from that point on. The fact that A+Bert got so many chances to come back only proves that it's not insufferable, and it's not necessarily permanent. You folks should be commended for not taking up new screen names and defending your beliefs and your principles, but as I am sure you know, there is sometimes a price to pay for that.

So that post does indeed speak for itself... but it probably speaks different things to me than to you. To me it basically says that you did not get enough cheese with your whine. You handled the situation poorly from the get go and can't see it. I wish the site could be more free, and tolerate internal dissent better (just ignore it) but it's not my call to make. At this point it seems like you know what to expect, and you have to make up your minds whether you will take it or leave it.

2,570 posted on 11/30/2001 5:45:08 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Fury
Your outta here!

(Scared ya, didn't I? LOL.)

2,571 posted on 11/30/2001 5:45:45 PM PST by Arator
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To: monkeyshine
monkeyshine, A+Bert is presently banned and has vowed never again to return to FR, so sick is he of the ill-treatment. Bad example.

You'll find him posting at FRU Reunion (http://www.delphi.com/Reunionx1) and/or Original Dissent (http://www.originaldissent.com).

2,572 posted on 11/30/2001 5:51:27 PM PST by Arator
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To: CharacterCounts
You just want it to get to 3,000, don't you?

Sure!

2,573 posted on 11/30/2001 5:54:06 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: CharacterCounts
You just want it to get to 3,000, don't you?

Sure!

2,574 posted on 11/30/2001 5:54:11 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: CharacterCounts
You just want it to get to 3,000, don't you?

Sure!

2,575 posted on 11/30/2001 5:54:23 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: CharacterCounts
You just want it to get to 3,000, don't you?

Sure!

2,576 posted on 11/30/2001 5:54:28 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: CharacterCounts
You just want it to get to 3,000, don't you?

Sure!

2,577 posted on 11/30/2001 5:54:33 PM PST by Cyber Liberty
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To: Howlin
You brave soul.

I see you are holding down the fort. I also note Arator is still posting - must be up to around 80-90 posts since that time yesterday he stated he had no intention of posting further.

Let's hope that he gets the attention he so needs, then perhaps he will stop insisting on telling others what to do with their property - as FR is the property of Jim.

I know that the ownership of property and the freedom to do with it as one pleases may not seem fair to many such as Z2, IHC, Arator, etc. I really feel for them. They seems infatuated with FR. That is actually a sign of the impact the FR has - when folks who dislike the running of FR, appear to be addicted to FR, with the primary purpose appearing to be undermining the operation and viability of FR.

2,578 posted on 11/30/2001 5:57:32 PM PST by Fury
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To: monkeyshine
The difference is, he [A+Bert] didn't go to other sites and badmouth FR.

ROFLMAO!!! Good one!

2,579 posted on 11/30/2001 5:59:00 PM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Cyber Liberty
LOL
2,580 posted on 11/30/2001 6:00:49 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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