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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: malador
like a bunch of crybabies every time someone says something you don't like.

You have the balls to call others crybabys? Malodorous, I've been watching your demigod (arator) your prosecutor (Z2) your court jester (IHC) and yourself snivel for nearly 12 hours. SHUT THE EFF UP.

2,121 posted on 11/29/2001 6:58:09 PM PST by j_tull
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To: alcuin
My site is nothing more than an example of entry level programming capabilities I have on a few resumes. I offered some space to a few folks because I have a lot of it and figured why waste it. The majority of the posts there are from freepers who took me up on the offer for space. I'm sure they will appreciate your kindness.

I had hopes of it taking off, but as stated earlier, I was not going to let it grow using the vents and rants or banned Freepers.

My site is a project....where is your creativity?

SR

2,122 posted on 11/29/2001 6:58:53 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: RightOnline
You missed a key point, my friend. I didn't spend those hours........and my time is very valuable to me.........to research "you". "You" weren't the issue......and aren't the issue.

But you said I was the issue, remember?

Saying.......and truly meaning........all of the above, having read many of your replies here and on the "Reformation Reunion" (or whatever it's called; sorry to say I've ALREADY forgotten after spending HOURS there this afternoon at TKE's urging), I've also come to the conclusion that you ARE, in fact, incredibly self-absorbed. I don't say that to be obnoxious or overly rude to you, Arator, but dude...........you've gotta step away from that mirror for just a few.

Gee, now where would I get the idea you went to RuR to research my posts? Uh, maybe because you SAID so?

OK, now that we both know I'm not completely crazy, I'm surprised and glad to hear that you are a paleo-con. I was even more surprised to see that you've been a FReeper ever since '98. So, did you miss my FReeper Brigades HQ site? Jethro Tull and I started that up back during the primaries, and it was in that sense that I assumed the role as "titular head" of the Paleo-cons on FR. I certainly did not mean to imply that I speak for anyone other than myself, including you.

At any rate, I'm surprised I don't have a stronger impression of you. I don't recall you posting much during the passionate Brigadier vs. Bushie wars during the election season. In any case, I'm pleased to make your acquaintence.

Lose the persecution complex and contribute, 'cause like I said, I think you can do just that.

That would be so easy to do if only they would stop persecuting me. LOL.

2,123 posted on 11/29/2001 7:01:27 PM PST by Arator
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To: malador
...I'd rather read a few sentences from any of the free thinkers...

Eureka! Your problem is clear to me now. You simply don't comprehend the difference between free and cheap.

2,124 posted on 11/29/2001 7:04:30 PM PST by harrowup
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To: Arator
I'm new to FR and cannot for the life of me see what your beef is? Get Over It. My Gosh!!!
2,125 posted on 11/29/2001 7:05:52 PM PST by jdontom
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To: Jim Robinson
FR is no fraud, it's the best forum on the net.
2,126 posted on 11/29/2001 7:07:16 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Arator
I only mentioned my impressions of you (from my "research") because...........I was replying to you. That's all. Consider it a "personalized response"; I didn't go to research or look for "dirt" on you or anybody else in particular......at all. It was a search for what some consider "truth". That's all.

As for the rest of your reply, I appreciate the friendly tone. I'm pleased to make your acquaintance, as well, and urge you to consider the points put forth in our little discussion here. There's just too much to do, Arator.

God bless.

2,127 posted on 11/29/2001 7:11:06 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Arator
I don't know how to say this politely, but you bore me. Why don't you go away for awhile. Tomorrow is another day.
2,128 posted on 11/29/2001 7:11:25 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: TLBSHOW
Are you planning on giving an apology to Jim tonight?

No, I did that once. But, I was censored and banned again only months later anyway. LOL.

I've learned from painful experience that direct contact with Jim Rob is the surest way to a quick banning and is best avoided. Better to just avert one's eyes and pretend that he isn't there and hope that he doesn't notice you if he is. Even talking about him obliquely like I am now is dangerous, so I had better stop before I say too much. LOL.

2,129 posted on 11/29/2001 7:11:56 PM PST by Arator
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
One of the big reasons to give money to this place is to make it available to others out there in search of just this kind of forum. Contributions are like building a bridge between Haves and HaveNots in terms of information. Making it a pay-for-view site would be like erecting a toll booth in the center of the bridge.
2,133 posted on 11/29/2001 7:19:28 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Jim Robinson
While I think it's great, possibly there needs to be something like FR's absence to ... weed out the chaff (hey, I might be talking about myself there ...) and cause people to really appreciate what we have here now.

Just thinking out loud. Not that I *want* it to go away, it's just that it wouldn't be a big deal to me. I have always though conservatively and lived my life that way. That's not going to change no matter what happens to FR.

2,135 posted on 11/29/2001 7:20:38 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: malador
Well, I'm glad you can read my mind. Actually, I like facts and you presented none. Maybe it's my educational background that I base my decisions on logic over emotions. Whatever. It is apparent you don't know what you are talking about. I will re-read the Patriot Act because maybe I did miss that part.
2,136 posted on 11/29/2001 7:21:01 PM PST by WIMom
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To: Jim Robinson
Given what you know about your ex-pro bono lawyer, via the Buckley Bomb, and how he talked you into the failed Eschoir lawsuit that has, so far, cost FR $105,000,000, do you think, looking back, he munged up the LAT/WP lawsuit as well?
2,137 posted on 11/29/2001 7:22:07 PM PST by aligyrl-02
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To: Jim Robinson
FR should run as long as you get the support you need. If/when you ask for it and don't get it, then it'll be time to shut it down. As to banning, I like your decisions in this area - you've gotten rid of some serious pests in 2001. Thanks for all your efforts. FReegards
2,138 posted on 11/29/2001 7:22:12 PM PST by 185JHP
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To: malador
I'd rather read a few sentences from any of the free thinkers I've had the pleasure to read on here than all the mindless garbage that streams out of the roomful of monkeys with computers known as "the state."

Well said, malador!

2,139 posted on 11/29/2001 7:22:51 PM PST by Arator
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To: malador
I think you're wrong. I don't even know what you're talking about. I am a poster on FR; not one of the "ladies" or the Guild.

However, you do sound jealous.

2,140 posted on 11/29/2001 7:22:57 PM PST by Howlin
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