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Tortured, Bloody, Sickening . . . But Effective -- Pro-Life Group Pricks Communters' Consciences
Los Angeles Lay Catholic Mission ^ | 10/01 | Robert Kumpel

Posted on 11/28/2001 2:48:37 PM PST by Caleb1411

At 6:15 a.m. in an industrial park in central Los Angeles, a plain-looking warehouse is unlocked. Beyond the iron gates and surveillance camera, another iron gate leads to a truck yard, which leads to the giant doors. Inside, the trucks are warmed up. A few more people show up. Some are staff, some are volunteers and two of them are off-duty police officers who will escort the trucks.

The reason for all the security is apparent when you look at the trucks. Photographs of aborted fetuses, blown up to billboard size, decorate each side of the bed of every truck. The word "Choice" in quotation marks and a web address loom over the photos. Some of the babies are juxtaposed against a dime as big as their entire body. Every working day, five days a week, since June, these trucks have been on the freeways of Los Angeles turning heads for three hours as they drive through morning traffic.

The trucks are the latest weapon of the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, a non-profit pro-life group dedicated to getting the public to face the issue they love to avoid. Its founder and director, Greg Cunningham, briefs the crew before leaving on today's run. Using a large map, he reveals his plan. Today they will follow a loop that begins on the 605 North to 60 East to 57 North, to 210 West to 134 West, to 405 South to the 10 East to 5 South and back to 605 South. "We will drive this loop ad nauseam -- that is, until every driver that has seen us is nauseated!" Cunningham jokes. The session ends with a brief prayer. At 6:40 a.m., everyone boards the trucks.

Riders wears body armor -- a 50 pound, bullet-proof SWAT vest with steel panels on all four sides of the torso. Each vest has pepper spray in its pocket. Helmets are located under the seats, just in case. "The California Highway Patrol turned down our application to armor-plate the cabs," explained Cunningham. "The windows are not bulletproof, but they are coated with mylar film, which can stop a brick. We don't put our people in harm's way for the purpose of getting beaten up."

A security car, outfitted like a police car, follows the convoy of trucks, keeping lanes clear behind them and making sure no one can stalk the convoy upon return to the warehouse. The security car and the trucks are equipped with video cameras that document all surrounding activity on each trip. Each member of the convoy communicates by radio. "Violence against pro-lifers is under-reported because a lot of pro-life activists just don't think the police will do anything about it," explained Cunningham, "and frequently they won't do anything about it. It's harder to get district attorneys to prosecute it and it's harder to get judges to find people guilty for it or penalize them significantly. [Yet] a bogus allegation of an assault against a pro-abort is likely to land a pro-lifer in jail."

During the early part of the trip, the trucks are going against the commute. Stalled traffic on the other side of Highway 60 cannot miss the message on each truck. The trucks move at 45 mph, the minimum legal speed on California's highways. As he drives, Cunningham explains their mission. "The truck campaign is an outgrowth of the [pro-life] Genocide Awareness Project, which involves the outdoor display of large photo murals on university campuses. We've now been on 33 public campuses all over the country. Probably three quarters of a million students have seen these pictures now.

"The campus project resulted from a fairly sophisticated analysis we had done on the unchanging principles of social reform, going back 150 years or more. We've examined every movement from the abolition of child labor, the abolition of slavery, to the civil rights movement and the anti-Vietnam war movement. Successful social reformers invariably used horrifying pictures to dramatize injustice and to confront the culture and prick the collective conscience. But since the reformers were social liberals, they found sympathetic allies in the press, who would broadcast these photos. Clearly, the press, if not hostile, is certainly not sympathetic to our [pro-life] point of view. So we had to come up with a new mass medium, a way of putting these pictures into the heads of people who are never going to see them in the media. The freeway system is built for transportation, but it could be appropriated for educational purposes. Commutes are getting longer and freeways are getting more crowded each year and you basically have a captive audience of people who can't change the channel and can't turn the page when they see us."

Cunningham's voice is earnest, steady and gentle. "When I am asked a question on talk-radio, two or three words into my answers, everyone starts shouting me down. When I was on the Leslie Marshall show, she got so angry with me that she hung up on me. I was supposed to come on at six in the evening on the Brian Whittaker show; but he kept me on hold until six-thirty, just beating the heck out of us, criticizing, misstating facts, and taking hostile calls, not letting me off hold into the conversation; so I finally hung up. Without realizing it, these talk show hosts who are so vehemently opposed to the truck project are making our point, which is, you can't hang up on the trucks. You can't put them on hold and you can't shout them down.

"The trucks are in your face," said Cunningham. "That's critical, because another aspect of social reform that we identified was massive societal denial among people complicit in injustice or complacent in response to the injustice. They felt guilty about it, and, as a consequence, didn't want to know more about the injustice than they already knew. So if you want to teach people who don't want to learn, you've got to develop methodologies that don't rely on the consent of the person you are trying to educate. Once you look at the pictures, they are in your head and you're never going to get them out. Every time you hear the word 'abortion' thereafter, instead of an abstraction, you are going to see a dead baby, tortured to death, bloody, sickening. Over time, if you have a functioning conscience, these images will begin to change the way you feel, think and ultimately, behave."

"Those who shout me down are foils for me," mused Cunningham, "because they are demonstrating their fear of my answer. These trucks have created pandemonium on the other side, because there is nothing they can do to stop this. If they respond violently, they draw more attention to us and discredit themselves. If they take us to court, they create a forum for the project. It's like the dilemma of an animal caught in a leg-hold trap; the harder it pulls, the deeper the teeth sink into its leg. The pro-aborts don't know whether to ignore this or resist it, so the only semi-coherent criticism we hear, besides 'You're upsetting children,' is that the pictures aren't real. The liberals know that if the pictures are real, they're dead. There's no moral defense for their position that's in any way convincing, so they resort to the same tactics that neo-Nazi skinheads employ when confronted with evidence of the Holocaust. They just say the pictures are fake and it never happened."

Cunningham recognizes that some people will never be convinced. "This project only works with those who have a functioning conscience. This is an educational, not a spiritual, project. A person who understands the magnitude of the evil that abortion represents and endorses it nonetheless is not ignorant but is morally bankrupt. I'm not aiming this at the 20 percent of the population that is irremediably evil, but at the, maybe, 60 percent that's just confused about all of this or believes abortion is the lesser of two evils because they don't know how evil it actually is. Evil that remains invisible quickly becomes tolerable. It's imperative that you make it real to people."

The unwanted nature of the message is what Cunningham believes gives it power. "That creates a great deal of anger, but Martin Luther King created a great deal of anger, the anti-Vietnam war movement created a great deal of anger. Earth First creates a great deal of anger. Social reformers don't care what people think of them, but what people think of injustice. I'm willing to get people angry at me to get them angry at abortion."

Though a conservative, Cunningham does not spare conservatives in his prescription to end abortion. The principal reason the pro-life movement has made so little progress over the last 30 years is because social reform is new to conservatives," he said. "Conservatives, to their discredit, are frequently defenders of an unjust status quo and it's political liberals who usually try to effect reform. Conservatives mistakenly imagine that in order to be effective, you have to be liked. At some level, they just can't deal with disapproval the way liberals can." Conservatives are "beaten down by liberals who are very clever at identity politics. 'If you're against abortion, you're against women.' That's an intellectually dishonest way of changing the subject; to discredit your opponent because you don't want to deal with his argument. None of those tactics work in the face of a dead baby picture in your windshield on the way to work. Is this a baby or isn't it? Is this an act of violence or isn't it? Should this be lawful or not?

"The pro-life movement doesn't have a clue as to how to change peoples' understandings of the facts of abortion. They just want to shout conclusions and opinions at people. What's really bizarre is that mainstream pro-life organizations and the Church are working harder than Planned Parenthood to suppress the best evidence we have -- photo evidence -- that abortion is an act of violence and it does kill a baby."

Cunningham is very disappointed with the efforts -- or lack thereof -- of Catholic bishops to fight abortion. "The U.S. bishops just bought an ad campaign whose operating principle is subtlety. During the Vietnam War, the working press had historically low approval ratings because people were angry that night after night the television showed the police chief of Saigon blowing out the brains of a Vietcong suspect, or naked children whose clothing was burned off by napalm running toward the camera. Those photos lodged in the public mind and gradually eroded public support for U.S. involvement in the war. The press was willing to take the hit. The protesters were willing to accept persecution. They had their eyes focused on a public policy objective and you can't win that on the cheap.

"But the bishops want to win this on the cheap," continued Cunningham. "They are laboring under the misconception that to be effective you have to be liked. They need to go back and read the prophets of the Old Testament and note the consistency with which they were persecuted and even martyred. Jesus said, 'If they persecute me, they will persecute you.' Well, they're not persecuting the bishops because the bishops have been very careful to avoid any behavior that invites persecution.

"The National Council of Catholic Bishops is releasing these insipid, 'subtle' ad campaigns that are designed to be just pro-life enough to mollify the 20 percent of the Church that is comprised of traditional orthodox Catholics, but not pro-life enough to antagonize the 20 percent of parishioners who are hard-core pro-aborts and are constantly trying to throttle and thwart pro-life activism in the Church. So the 60 percent who are in the middle on all of this are just abandoned to twist in the wind. It's the attempt to create the impression that NCCB is serious about abortion, when they're really only doing half-measured, conscience-salving stuff that is so dishonest.

Cunningham is equally disappointed with Evangelicals in the fight for life. He believes both Catholics and Protestants are losing an opportunity and uses the term "the Church" as a reference to all denominations. "The bishops are wrong about this," he said. "It may be that when you offend people they will close their ears, but I'm not speaking to them. I care what they do with their eyes and they can't close their eyes on the freeway without having a wreck. We are a visual culture. So many people in the pro-life movement learned in an age when people read and listened. That's over. Kids learn today by looking, and people my age, middle-aged people, don't get that. The bishops and Respect Life coordinators don't get that, and that's one of the reasons we're losing this thing. Gut decision makers tend to be voyeuristic; so if that's where the culture is, that's where we've got to engage them. The bishops are just bureaucrats. If the bishops were where the pope is in the fight against abortion, this fight would be over.

"This slaughter is occurring with our permission. The Church is permitting an atrocity to happen that God has given us the resources to stop. That's why the Church has blood on its hands in a very real sense. When Jesus commanded us show our love for God by obeying His commandments, he wasn't just talking about prohibitions against doing evil, He was talking as well about our affirmative duty to intervene on behalf of those who are being victimized by injustice. That's what the parable of the Good Samaritan is about and it's that affirmative duty that the Church is failing to discharge. Even while the Church mumbles platitudes about abortion being law, you show me your checkbook and I'll show you what you're serious about. From that perspective, the Church is hardly serious about abortion. All 'peace and justice' issues are irrelevant to dead babies. Illiteracy, homelessness, poverty, disease, hunger are absolutely irrelevant to a dead baby. Abortion is a threshold sin. It's a foundational evil."

As we turn on the 210 and enter the San Gabriel Valley, traffic gets heavier. As we get closer to Pasadena, the cars start getting more expensive. Although no one is making obscene gestures at us today - otherwise a frequent occurrence -- many people are glaring or staring at the trucks. Passengers in cars point and seem to be having animated discussions. "When we are in Orange County and the Inland Empire, we get looks of stunned disbelief," said Cunningham. "Some people will attempt to cut us off or break into the convoy. They'll do that when they haven't seen the police car behind us. We'll see more aggressive driving the closer we get to West L.A. That's where the cultural elites are.

"Sometimes we'll go into Malibu and Topanga Canyon and that's where the studio bigwigs are. You'll start really seeing the obscene gestures and scowls and frowns. They're scandalized because they regard these areas as their domain and we're violating the sanctity of their liberal environs by bringing the truth of abortion to Malibu."

To prevent legal harassment, the project keeps two public interest law firms on retainer: the Life Legal Defense Foundation and the Thomas More Center. "We involve counsel in the planning of everything we do, from the conceptual level all the way through implementation," said Cunningham. "We structure our activities to give us maximum litigation advantage and our adversaries the minimum of openings to harass us in court. In the eleven years the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform has been doing its work, we have not been sued once. We are easily the most aggressive pro-life organization in the country. We've only sued someone else once; we brought a federal lawsuit against Indiana University last year and forced a settlement on them that allows us to display our Genocide Awareness Project at a very prominent location on their campus."

In spite of the "in your face" approach of this project, Cunningham denounces all pro-life violence. Still, Cunningham thinks the pro-life movement has not been all that violent. "Look at the history of social reform," said Cunningham, "and note the thousands of bombings and riots and injuries and arrests and murders (especially during the civil rights movement and anti-Vietnam war movement). Compare that to the pro-life movement, where only seven lives have been lost in 30 years, with only a tiny fraction of bombings and arsons and virtually no riots. To suggest that the pro-life movement has been violent is preposterous. There were more people killed during a few days of rioting in the Rodney King matter in Los Angeles than have been killed in the entire history of the pro-life movement -- not only in this country, but worldwide.

The Genocide Awareness Project is funded by donations. "Ironically, much of our work is being funded by people in the southeastern United States. There are some enlightened donors there who believe the best way to fight abortion in Kentucky is by funding pro-life activism in Southern California because California is such a trend-setting state. If you're able to make a dent in public opinion here, the theory is that the influence that the activism creates will spread to other parts of the country. Almost all of the funding has come from private individuals and almost none of it is institutional money." What is Cunningham's goal should the funding continue to increase? "Expansion to more cities," he said.

A former state legislator, justice department official, and assistant U.S. attorney, Cunningham, 54, says something deeper keeps him doing pro-life work. "I sat in the U.S. Attorney's office in Los Angeles," said Cunningham, "and every week watched 25 or 30 resumés come across my desk from people at very good law firms and from very good law schools; day by day it became clearer to me that any one of these people could do my job at least as well as I, and some of them better. But none of them would be willing to fight the greatest moral evil the world has ever seen. I thought to myself, 'I'm going to have to stand before the judgment seat of Christ and explain what I was doing while the sewers of our cities were running red with the blood of our children.'"

"I don't understand Christians who agonize about being in the will of God and then dedicate their lives to doing the work that the pagans are perfectly willing to do! Christians want to live a 'normal life' and the 'American Dream,' but that notion would have been absolutely anathema to firstcentury Christians. I admit, I'm a materialistic person. I used to have a private plane. I had a Rolex and drove a Porsche, and I miss them. But I can't have those things and sit here on the freeway, scandalizing Southern California with the horror of abortion. We've got to make a choice. If I'm going to be serious about giving more of my time to this work, then I've got to be willing to live more modestly than I was willing to live. I'm not some super-spiritual person; this was not easy. My contemporaries with whom I went to law school are at the apex of their careers, doing things I would rather be doing and living in places where I would rather live.

"A guy named Leith Anderson wrote a book called Dying For Change about the Church," continued Cunningham. "He noticed that the Church and para-church organizations tend to move away from geographical centers of cultural influence while liberal organizations tend to move into centers of cultural influence. We see this again and again, that conservatives would rather live where they want to live and be left alone, where liberals want to change the world. So liberals go where they can have the greatest possible impact -- the news centers, media, entertainment and education - to the points of influence that have the greatest impact on the culture. Conservatives, again, are dumb as a post about all this. The irony of it is most traditional Christians, Catholic, Evangelical, what have you, are conservatives, and they're under a biblical mandate from our Lord to change the world. It is we who are supposed to be changing that world and we have abdicated that responsibility to pagan liberals -- some of them masquerading as Catholic clerics."

As we enter a bumper-to-bumper 405 South at the Sepulveda Pass, we are in what Cunningham describes as one of the areas where the offense taken at the photos is greatest. He is able to generalize reactions according to car models. "Porsches aren't that bad and Mercedeses aren't that bad, but there's something about a BMW that attracts serious pro-aborts. I saw a lady who almost had a wreck on the 405 North; she got off at one of the Hollywood exits and she was leaning out of her window, wobbling and swerving, trying to shout backward at us, while she tried to exit. I was afraid she would get cut in half. If abortion is O.K., then why do these pictures upset them so?"

As we move south of Westwood, we turn east on 10 and traffic thins out. Gawkers continue to slow down and stare as they pass us, but the ride back to the warehouse is uneventful. As we pull into the lot, a pickup following us takes down the building's address, then flees before the police stop him. They don't bother chasing him. Another successful mission is accomplished. An estimated 400 thousand drivers have seen the message.

Cunningham's strategy is best summarized by analogy to a chess game. "This is like a chess game where we don't even let our opponent sit down at the table until we've pre-positioned the pieces to place him at checkmate," said Cunningham. "Then we invite him to sit down and tell him, 'It's your move.' Although we're not going to do anything unlawful or immoral, we're not going to play this game pursuant to rules written by pro-aborts and weak bishops."


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To: maica; Freee-dame
bttt
61 posted on 11/28/2001 11:49:32 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: m1911
slap to wake someone who has slept through the alarm.

While is understand you point, I had some buddies ( along time ago) whom you would not want to slap awake....not on your life.

My first M1911 was purchased through the NRA/CMP when I was 18. I don't remember the exact price, put it was something ourageous, something like $35.

62 posted on 11/29/2001 12:16:35 AM PST by pcl
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To: pcl
No, not many people like to be slapped awake. But if the house is on fire... Of course, this is an area where the fire is harder to see, and the threat is less immediate.

Damn, I envy that deal! Mine cost me 400 before the new barrel, but as soon as I saw it I turned into the worst negotiator possible - I KNEW I was going to buy it. CMP was kind enough to supply me with an M-1 a couple months ago. Springfield, Nov '44. Of course that cost me as much as the 1911, so my wife is wondering what the next WWII ordnance is going to be.

63 posted on 11/29/2001 12:29:33 AM PST by m1911
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To: Prodigal Son
Bump!

Greg Cunningham is the stuff that legends are made of...he's a damn soldier in the army of God!

He walked away from a job as a U.S Attorney to do the work he's doing.

Thanks Greg!!!

For those who are interested, listen to this interview of Greg.


64 posted on 11/29/2001 12:44:22 AM PST by Verax
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To: m1911
The M1 is my second most favorite firearm. Through four years of College I cleaned, carried and sometimes slept with a M1. There really is not other rifle like it. It gave our WWII and Korea soldiers the firepower that helped win the war. And it made a damn good club when you needed it, unlike todays "assualt rifle."

We used to break our M1s down, put them in laundry bags, carry them off campus and go hunting (after installing a firing pin).

I have a couple of Springfield M1s in my gun safe. They are by babies.

65 posted on 11/29/2001 1:13:25 AM PST by pcl
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To: Travis McGee
I have long maintained that the refusal of the pro-abortion lobby to ALLOW film or photographs of abortion procedures or fetuses to be generally available proves that they do NOT want an informed public.

The medical channels on TV show disgusting procedures regularly. Facelifts, for example, are horrifying. They never show anything to do with abortion.

It took years of effort to get permission for the GAP to have a display at the University of British Columbia, yet that school had a training camp for RUCKUS, the anti-capitalist disruptors. No problem!!

66 posted on 11/29/2001 2:17:02 AM PST by maica
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To: Verax
Thanks for that audio link!

Bump for Greg Cunningham--"Soldier of God!"

67 posted on 11/29/2001 5:28:42 AM PST by JMJ333
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To: Caleb1411
Those who do not oppose abortion will be held just as responsible those who commit the murders. 40,000,000 murders are going to exact a terrible price from the Elohim of Avraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
68 posted on 11/29/2001 5:38:15 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: AAABEST
Am I to understand that in CA you have to "apply" to have your vehicle armor-plated? WTF is the logic behind that bit of absurdity?

"When armor-plated cars are outlawed, only outlaws will have armor-plated cars." Obviously. They don't want Al Capone to have an impregnable rolling fortress.

And, as we all know, <sarcasm>laws are effective against outlaws.</sarcasm>

69 posted on 11/29/2001 5:51:11 AM PST by newgeezer
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To: Artist; Southflanknorthpawsis; Dataman; Buggman
I find this article very thought-provoking.

Dan
The Bible and the Bull's-Eye on the Baby

70 posted on 11/29/2001 6:24:23 AM PST by BibChr
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To: BibChr; Mercuria; Aquinasfan; lsucat; Easy_Shark; Brad's Gramma; aruanan; proud2bRC; farmer18th
Excellent article. Thanks very much for the ping, BibChr.
71 posted on 11/29/2001 6:54:55 AM PST by Artist
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To: AAABEST
WTF is the logic behind that bit of absurdity?

I had the same initial reaction. Then I thought of those LA bank robbers in body armor who held off an entire SWAT team for the better part of a day.

Same principle. And a reasonable principle. But poorly applied. I don't think we have to worry about these folks robbing a bank.

72 posted on 11/29/2001 7:37:08 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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Everyone,

Please keep a lookout for articles in the "mainstream press" regarding the convoy campaign and post them here when you find them.

It's obvious that the press is strategically blacking-out this story.

73 posted on 11/29/2001 7:43:33 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: BibChr
Excellent, excellent!! He gets it!

"Violence against pro-lifers is under-reported because a lot of pro-life activists just don't think the police will do anything about it," explained Cunningham, "and frequently they won't do anything about it. It's harder to get district attorneys to prosecute it and it's harder to get judges to find people guilty for it or penalize them significantly. [Yet] a bogus allegation of an assault against a pro-abort is likely to land a pro-lifer in jail."

Amazing how some absolutey hate the truth.

74 posted on 11/29/2001 8:02:07 AM PST by Dataman
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To: pcl
A newspaper is running a public opinon poll on these trucks. So far it looks like the trucks are doing more damage to the prolife cause than good.

Two comments.

A. A good deal of the article was taken up speaking about this very issue. Did you read the article? If so, why not react to the answer Cunningham gives, rather than ignore it?

B. Internet polls are not an accurate portrayal of public opinion.

75 posted on 11/29/2001 9:20:38 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: Caleb1411
Liberals absolutely hate it when conservatives exercise their first amendment rights.
76 posted on 11/29/2001 9:38:03 AM PST by LibKill
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To: pcl
Don't you ever get tired of meddling in other peoples lives?

How is it meddling to express an opinion? I think people need to be uncomfortable with what happens to the "product of conception" as pro-aborts like to call a pre-born child. Look, Cunningham isn't out blocking clinics, he isn't shooting doctors, in fact, he rejects the use of violence. He is merely excercising his right of free speech. Even if you disagree, as you obviously do, with both his message and the way he delivers it, will you not defend, nevertheless, his right to free speech?

77 posted on 11/29/2001 10:01:36 AM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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To: pcl
"Don't you ever get tired of meddling in other peoples lives?"

There are a lot of ironies surrounding the abortion debate-- the same people willing to interfere with everyone else's unborn children will fight to the death any interference by anyone else in their relationships with their own, living children, while the people who defend forever anyone's right to an abortion at any time for any reason, will also support every kind and degree of state interference with parents and living children. Go figure. Makes no sense to me, but I have long since stopped expecting sense out of either side in the abortion debate.

The pro-life people lose me when they insist that there is NEVER a reason for abortion, that no human value trumps the right of the fetus to be born. Doctors can diagnose with absolute certainty at least one condition that I know of that is not treatable and certain to result in death within days if not hours of birth-- hydro-encephaly (water on the brain); it can be diagnosed in the 4th or 5th month. But, even this does not warrant abortion for the hard-line pro-lifers; instead, the woman is sentenced to carry this doomed baby for months and then to watch it die. This is humane? This is what God wants? I don't think so. I could give other examples of this insanity, but I'm sure you've heard them already.

On the other hand, the pro-choicers insist that there is NEVER a time or condition under which abortion should be disallowed-- five seconds before natural childbirth begins the horrible "partial birth abortion" procedure should be available to the mother. For them, absolutely no human value trumps the mother's right to be as stupid or venal as she wishes.

I see little true morality or goodness in the positions of fanatics on either side. And, unfortunately, until the fanatics are willing to move more to the center, most Americans will tune them out, in fact, tune out the entire issue. I have no problem with this article, or the trucks and their pictures, though I do think that they make an already emotionally laden debate more so. What the abortion debate really needs, in my opinion, is less passion and more reason, but I don't expect to live long enough to see that, and I'm a fairly young woman.

78 posted on 11/29/2001 11:03:29 AM PST by walden
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To: walden
Doctors can diagnose with absolute certainty at least one condition that I know of that is not treatable and certain to result in death within days if not hours of birth-- hydro-encephaly (water on the brain); it can be diagnosed in the 4th or 5th month.

What I'd be interested in seeing how accurate these diagnoses are. I've read of many such things (such as retardation, physical problems, etc) that only holds up to a medium percentage of cases. In other words...many times, they're just plain wrong. This is why many pro-lifers won't accept these kind of diagnoses, because there might be a chance they could turn out incorrect (it's happend many times before), and the abortion would kill someone that wouldn't have died before.

-The Hajman-
79 posted on 11/29/2001 11:46:58 AM PST by Hajman
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To: pcl
Pro-life bump....

It is odd that some pro life advocates would think that this message, however grotesque and shocking, would have any effect whatsoever on the choice crowd. I mean, would pro life change its mind if choicers started a media campaign intended to shock and bring attention to their point of view?

No.

This is a feel-good way to do nothing about stopping abortions.

80 posted on 11/29/2001 12:03:40 PM PST by Principled
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