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"Don't you ever get tired of meddling in other peoples lives?"

There are a lot of ironies surrounding the abortion debate-- the same people willing to interfere with everyone else's unborn children will fight to the death any interference by anyone else in their relationships with their own, living children, while the people who defend forever anyone's right to an abortion at any time for any reason, will also support every kind and degree of state interference with parents and living children. Go figure. Makes no sense to me, but I have long since stopped expecting sense out of either side in the abortion debate.

The pro-life people lose me when they insist that there is NEVER a reason for abortion, that no human value trumps the right of the fetus to be born. Doctors can diagnose with absolute certainty at least one condition that I know of that is not treatable and certain to result in death within days if not hours of birth-- hydro-encephaly (water on the brain); it can be diagnosed in the 4th or 5th month. But, even this does not warrant abortion for the hard-line pro-lifers; instead, the woman is sentenced to carry this doomed baby for months and then to watch it die. This is humane? This is what God wants? I don't think so. I could give other examples of this insanity, but I'm sure you've heard them already.

On the other hand, the pro-choicers insist that there is NEVER a time or condition under which abortion should be disallowed-- five seconds before natural childbirth begins the horrible "partial birth abortion" procedure should be available to the mother. For them, absolutely no human value trumps the mother's right to be as stupid or venal as she wishes.

I see little true morality or goodness in the positions of fanatics on either side. And, unfortunately, until the fanatics are willing to move more to the center, most Americans will tune them out, in fact, tune out the entire issue. I have no problem with this article, or the trucks and their pictures, though I do think that they make an already emotionally laden debate more so. What the abortion debate really needs, in my opinion, is less passion and more reason, but I don't expect to live long enough to see that, and I'm a fairly young woman.

Doctors can diagnose with absolute certainty at least one condition that I know of that is not treatable and certain to result in death within days if not hours of birth-- hydro-encephaly (water on the brain); it can be diagnosed in the 4th or 5th month.

What I'd be interested in seeing how accurate these diagnoses are. I've read of many such things (such as retardation, physical problems, etc) that only holds up to a medium percentage of cases. In other words...many times, they're just plain wrong. This is why many pro-lifers won't accept these kind of diagnoses, because there might be a chance they could turn out incorrect (it's happend many times before), and the abortion would kill someone that wouldn't have died before.

-The Hajman-

pro-choicers insist that there is NEVER a time or condition under which abortion should be disallowed

I can only speak for this particular Pro-Choicer. I would be willing to accept more restrictive laws on abortion. I have outlined my feelings about that in another thread.

The problem with many Pro-Choicers is the feeling the if you "give them an inch, they will take a mile." It is exaclty like Gun Control. We know that the Gun Grabbers want to make all firearms vanish. We know that each little restriction that we agree to, no matter how sensible it may seem (trigger lock for example), is just another step towards grabbing all guns. You have to "hold them off at the pass."

When exactly in your opinion is it 'reasonable' to kill someone who hasn't threatened you with violence?

L

I'm sorry you have such a grey view of the abortion issue. Admittedly...a reasonable person can make an argument in the case of the life of the mother or in the case of a horribly malformed unborn baby. However aside from that it becomes rather clear to many of us that abortion is indeed killing a baby that would have otherwise had a life outside it's mother's womb.

I'm frequently perplexed how women such as yourself who has children of her own can take such ambivalent(at best) stands on this issue. Folks like yourself should know better than folks like myself..after all I'm only a "donor husband' as they say.

Well ...at least you don't claim to be a rabid pro abortion lady.

btw...your artwork is quite pleasing!!

In 1957, I knew a woman that had a little 4 year girl.
The little girl was a darlin'.
Sometimes she could hold her head up. But sometimes she would get tired.

Oh, I got carried away.
She was a hydro-enceplic baby.

seemed to be very smart.
I am sure she died. But don't they have stuff now to fix it?
If not, I recon' we ought to kill anyone that we think we ought to.