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Tortured, Bloody, Sickening . . . But Effective -- Pro-Life Group Pricks Communters' Consciences
Los Angeles Lay Catholic Mission ^ | 10/01 | Robert Kumpel

Posted on 11/28/2001 2:48:37 PM PST by Caleb1411

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To: maica; Freee-dame
bttt
61 posted on 11/28/2001 11:49:32 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: m1911
slap to wake someone who has slept through the alarm.

While is understand you point, I had some buddies ( along time ago) whom you would not want to slap awake....not on your life.

My first M1911 was purchased through the NRA/CMP when I was 18. I don't remember the exact price, put it was something ourageous, something like $35.

62 posted on 11/29/2001 12:16:35 AM PST by pcl
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To: pcl
No, not many people like to be slapped awake. But if the house is on fire... Of course, this is an area where the fire is harder to see, and the threat is less immediate.

Damn, I envy that deal! Mine cost me 400 before the new barrel, but as soon as I saw it I turned into the worst negotiator possible - I KNEW I was going to buy it. CMP was kind enough to supply me with an M-1 a couple months ago. Springfield, Nov '44. Of course that cost me as much as the 1911, so my wife is wondering what the next WWII ordnance is going to be.

63 posted on 11/29/2001 12:29:33 AM PST by m1911
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To: Prodigal Son
Bump!

Greg Cunningham is the stuff that legends are made of...he's a damn soldier in the army of God!

He walked away from a job as a U.S Attorney to do the work he's doing.

Thanks Greg!!!

For those who are interested, listen to this interview of Greg.


64 posted on 11/29/2001 12:44:22 AM PST by Verax
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To: m1911
The M1 is my second most favorite firearm. Through four years of College I cleaned, carried and sometimes slept with a M1. There really is not other rifle like it. It gave our WWII and Korea soldiers the firepower that helped win the war. And it made a damn good club when you needed it, unlike todays "assualt rifle."

We used to break our M1s down, put them in laundry bags, carry them off campus and go hunting (after installing a firing pin).

I have a couple of Springfield M1s in my gun safe. They are by babies.

65 posted on 11/29/2001 1:13:25 AM PST by pcl
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To: Travis McGee
I have long maintained that the refusal of the pro-abortion lobby to ALLOW film or photographs of abortion procedures or fetuses to be generally available proves that they do NOT want an informed public.

The medical channels on TV show disgusting procedures regularly. Facelifts, for example, are horrifying. They never show anything to do with abortion.

It took years of effort to get permission for the GAP to have a display at the University of British Columbia, yet that school had a training camp for RUCKUS, the anti-capitalist disruptors. No problem!!

66 posted on 11/29/2001 2:17:02 AM PST by maica
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To: Verax
Thanks for that audio link!

Bump for Greg Cunningham--"Soldier of God!"

67 posted on 11/29/2001 5:28:42 AM PST by JMJ333
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To: Caleb1411
Those who do not oppose abortion will be held just as responsible those who commit the murders. 40,000,000 murders are going to exact a terrible price from the Elohim of Avraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
68 posted on 11/29/2001 5:38:15 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: AAABEST
Am I to understand that in CA you have to "apply" to have your vehicle armor-plated? WTF is the logic behind that bit of absurdity?

"When armor-plated cars are outlawed, only outlaws will have armor-plated cars." Obviously. They don't want Al Capone to have an impregnable rolling fortress.

And, as we all know, <sarcasm>laws are effective against outlaws.</sarcasm>

69 posted on 11/29/2001 5:51:11 AM PST by newgeezer
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To: Artist; Southflanknorthpawsis; Dataman; Buggman
I find this article very thought-provoking.

Dan
The Bible and the Bull's-Eye on the Baby

70 posted on 11/29/2001 6:24:23 AM PST by BibChr
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To: BibChr; Mercuria; Aquinasfan; lsucat; Easy_Shark; Brad's Gramma; aruanan; proud2bRC; farmer18th
Excellent article. Thanks very much for the ping, BibChr.
71 posted on 11/29/2001 6:54:55 AM PST by Artist
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To: AAABEST
WTF is the logic behind that bit of absurdity?

I had the same initial reaction. Then I thought of those LA bank robbers in body armor who held off an entire SWAT team for the better part of a day.

Same principle. And a reasonable principle. But poorly applied. I don't think we have to worry about these folks robbing a bank.

72 posted on 11/29/2001 7:37:08 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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Everyone,

Please keep a lookout for articles in the "mainstream press" regarding the convoy campaign and post them here when you find them.

It's obvious that the press is strategically blacking-out this story.

73 posted on 11/29/2001 7:43:33 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: BibChr
Excellent, excellent!! He gets it!

"Violence against pro-lifers is under-reported because a lot of pro-life activists just don't think the police will do anything about it," explained Cunningham, "and frequently they won't do anything about it. It's harder to get district attorneys to prosecute it and it's harder to get judges to find people guilty for it or penalize them significantly. [Yet] a bogus allegation of an assault against a pro-abort is likely to land a pro-lifer in jail."

Amazing how some absolutey hate the truth.

74 posted on 11/29/2001 8:02:07 AM PST by Dataman
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To: pcl
A newspaper is running a public opinon poll on these trucks. So far it looks like the trucks are doing more damage to the prolife cause than good.

Two comments.

A. A good deal of the article was taken up speaking about this very issue. Did you read the article? If so, why not react to the answer Cunningham gives, rather than ignore it?

B. Internet polls are not an accurate portrayal of public opinion.

75 posted on 11/29/2001 9:20:38 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: Caleb1411
Liberals absolutely hate it when conservatives exercise their first amendment rights.
76 posted on 11/29/2001 9:38:03 AM PST by LibKill
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To: pcl
Don't you ever get tired of meddling in other peoples lives?

How is it meddling to express an opinion? I think people need to be uncomfortable with what happens to the "product of conception" as pro-aborts like to call a pre-born child. Look, Cunningham isn't out blocking clinics, he isn't shooting doctors, in fact, he rejects the use of violence. He is merely excercising his right of free speech. Even if you disagree, as you obviously do, with both his message and the way he delivers it, will you not defend, nevertheless, his right to free speech?

77 posted on 11/29/2001 10:01:36 AM PST by Tuscaloosa Goldfinch
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To: pcl
"Don't you ever get tired of meddling in other peoples lives?"

There are a lot of ironies surrounding the abortion debate-- the same people willing to interfere with everyone else's unborn children will fight to the death any interference by anyone else in their relationships with their own, living children, while the people who defend forever anyone's right to an abortion at any time for any reason, will also support every kind and degree of state interference with parents and living children. Go figure. Makes no sense to me, but I have long since stopped expecting sense out of either side in the abortion debate.

The pro-life people lose me when they insist that there is NEVER a reason for abortion, that no human value trumps the right of the fetus to be born. Doctors can diagnose with absolute certainty at least one condition that I know of that is not treatable and certain to result in death within days if not hours of birth-- hydro-encephaly (water on the brain); it can be diagnosed in the 4th or 5th month. But, even this does not warrant abortion for the hard-line pro-lifers; instead, the woman is sentenced to carry this doomed baby for months and then to watch it die. This is humane? This is what God wants? I don't think so. I could give other examples of this insanity, but I'm sure you've heard them already.

On the other hand, the pro-choicers insist that there is NEVER a time or condition under which abortion should be disallowed-- five seconds before natural childbirth begins the horrible "partial birth abortion" procedure should be available to the mother. For them, absolutely no human value trumps the mother's right to be as stupid or venal as she wishes.

I see little true morality or goodness in the positions of fanatics on either side. And, unfortunately, until the fanatics are willing to move more to the center, most Americans will tune them out, in fact, tune out the entire issue. I have no problem with this article, or the trucks and their pictures, though I do think that they make an already emotionally laden debate more so. What the abortion debate really needs, in my opinion, is less passion and more reason, but I don't expect to live long enough to see that, and I'm a fairly young woman.

78 posted on 11/29/2001 11:03:29 AM PST by walden
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To: walden
Doctors can diagnose with absolute certainty at least one condition that I know of that is not treatable and certain to result in death within days if not hours of birth-- hydro-encephaly (water on the brain); it can be diagnosed in the 4th or 5th month.

What I'd be interested in seeing how accurate these diagnoses are. I've read of many such things (such as retardation, physical problems, etc) that only holds up to a medium percentage of cases. In other words...many times, they're just plain wrong. This is why many pro-lifers won't accept these kind of diagnoses, because there might be a chance they could turn out incorrect (it's happend many times before), and the abortion would kill someone that wouldn't have died before.

-The Hajman-
79 posted on 11/29/2001 11:46:58 AM PST by Hajman
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To: pcl
Pro-life bump....

It is odd that some pro life advocates would think that this message, however grotesque and shocking, would have any effect whatsoever on the choice crowd. I mean, would pro life change its mind if choicers started a media campaign intended to shock and bring attention to their point of view?

No.

This is a feel-good way to do nothing about stopping abortions.

80 posted on 11/29/2001 12:03:40 PM PST by Principled
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