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Tortured, Bloody, Sickening . . . But Effective -- Pro-Life Group Pricks Communters' Consciences
Los Angeles Lay Catholic Mission ^ | 10/01 | Robert Kumpel

Posted on 11/28/2001 2:48:37 PM PST by Caleb1411

At 6:15 a.m. in an industrial park in central Los Angeles, a plain-looking warehouse is unlocked. Beyond the iron gates and surveillance camera, another iron gate leads to a truck yard, which leads to the giant doors. Inside, the trucks are warmed up. A few more people show up. Some are staff, some are volunteers and two of them are off-duty police officers who will escort the trucks.

The reason for all the security is apparent when you look at the trucks. Photographs of aborted fetuses, blown up to billboard size, decorate each side of the bed of every truck. The word "Choice" in quotation marks and a web address loom over the photos. Some of the babies are juxtaposed against a dime as big as their entire body. Every working day, five days a week, since June, these trucks have been on the freeways of Los Angeles turning heads for three hours as they drive through morning traffic.

The trucks are the latest weapon of the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform, a non-profit pro-life group dedicated to getting the public to face the issue they love to avoid. Its founder and director, Greg Cunningham, briefs the crew before leaving on today's run. Using a large map, he reveals his plan. Today they will follow a loop that begins on the 605 North to 60 East to 57 North, to 210 West to 134 West, to 405 South to the 10 East to 5 South and back to 605 South. "We will drive this loop ad nauseam -- that is, until every driver that has seen us is nauseated!" Cunningham jokes. The session ends with a brief prayer. At 6:40 a.m., everyone boards the trucks.

Riders wears body armor -- a 50 pound, bullet-proof SWAT vest with steel panels on all four sides of the torso. Each vest has pepper spray in its pocket. Helmets are located under the seats, just in case. "The California Highway Patrol turned down our application to armor-plate the cabs," explained Cunningham. "The windows are not bulletproof, but they are coated with mylar film, which can stop a brick. We don't put our people in harm's way for the purpose of getting beaten up."

A security car, outfitted like a police car, follows the convoy of trucks, keeping lanes clear behind them and making sure no one can stalk the convoy upon return to the warehouse. The security car and the trucks are equipped with video cameras that document all surrounding activity on each trip. Each member of the convoy communicates by radio. "Violence against pro-lifers is under-reported because a lot of pro-life activists just don't think the police will do anything about it," explained Cunningham, "and frequently they won't do anything about it. It's harder to get district attorneys to prosecute it and it's harder to get judges to find people guilty for it or penalize them significantly. [Yet] a bogus allegation of an assault against a pro-abort is likely to land a pro-lifer in jail."

During the early part of the trip, the trucks are going against the commute. Stalled traffic on the other side of Highway 60 cannot miss the message on each truck. The trucks move at 45 mph, the minimum legal speed on California's highways. As he drives, Cunningham explains their mission. "The truck campaign is an outgrowth of the [pro-life] Genocide Awareness Project, which involves the outdoor display of large photo murals on university campuses. We've now been on 33 public campuses all over the country. Probably three quarters of a million students have seen these pictures now.

"The campus project resulted from a fairly sophisticated analysis we had done on the unchanging principles of social reform, going back 150 years or more. We've examined every movement from the abolition of child labor, the abolition of slavery, to the civil rights movement and the anti-Vietnam war movement. Successful social reformers invariably used horrifying pictures to dramatize injustice and to confront the culture and prick the collective conscience. But since the reformers were social liberals, they found sympathetic allies in the press, who would broadcast these photos. Clearly, the press, if not hostile, is certainly not sympathetic to our [pro-life] point of view. So we had to come up with a new mass medium, a way of putting these pictures into the heads of people who are never going to see them in the media. The freeway system is built for transportation, but it could be appropriated for educational purposes. Commutes are getting longer and freeways are getting more crowded each year and you basically have a captive audience of people who can't change the channel and can't turn the page when they see us."

Cunningham's voice is earnest, steady and gentle. "When I am asked a question on talk-radio, two or three words into my answers, everyone starts shouting me down. When I was on the Leslie Marshall show, she got so angry with me that she hung up on me. I was supposed to come on at six in the evening on the Brian Whittaker show; but he kept me on hold until six-thirty, just beating the heck out of us, criticizing, misstating facts, and taking hostile calls, not letting me off hold into the conversation; so I finally hung up. Without realizing it, these talk show hosts who are so vehemently opposed to the truck project are making our point, which is, you can't hang up on the trucks. You can't put them on hold and you can't shout them down.

"The trucks are in your face," said Cunningham. "That's critical, because another aspect of social reform that we identified was massive societal denial among people complicit in injustice or complacent in response to the injustice. They felt guilty about it, and, as a consequence, didn't want to know more about the injustice than they already knew. So if you want to teach people who don't want to learn, you've got to develop methodologies that don't rely on the consent of the person you are trying to educate. Once you look at the pictures, they are in your head and you're never going to get them out. Every time you hear the word 'abortion' thereafter, instead of an abstraction, you are going to see a dead baby, tortured to death, bloody, sickening. Over time, if you have a functioning conscience, these images will begin to change the way you feel, think and ultimately, behave."

"Those who shout me down are foils for me," mused Cunningham, "because they are demonstrating their fear of my answer. These trucks have created pandemonium on the other side, because there is nothing they can do to stop this. If they respond violently, they draw more attention to us and discredit themselves. If they take us to court, they create a forum for the project. It's like the dilemma of an animal caught in a leg-hold trap; the harder it pulls, the deeper the teeth sink into its leg. The pro-aborts don't know whether to ignore this or resist it, so the only semi-coherent criticism we hear, besides 'You're upsetting children,' is that the pictures aren't real. The liberals know that if the pictures are real, they're dead. There's no moral defense for their position that's in any way convincing, so they resort to the same tactics that neo-Nazi skinheads employ when confronted with evidence of the Holocaust. They just say the pictures are fake and it never happened."

Cunningham recognizes that some people will never be convinced. "This project only works with those who have a functioning conscience. This is an educational, not a spiritual, project. A person who understands the magnitude of the evil that abortion represents and endorses it nonetheless is not ignorant but is morally bankrupt. I'm not aiming this at the 20 percent of the population that is irremediably evil, but at the, maybe, 60 percent that's just confused about all of this or believes abortion is the lesser of two evils because they don't know how evil it actually is. Evil that remains invisible quickly becomes tolerable. It's imperative that you make it real to people."

The unwanted nature of the message is what Cunningham believes gives it power. "That creates a great deal of anger, but Martin Luther King created a great deal of anger, the anti-Vietnam war movement created a great deal of anger. Earth First creates a great deal of anger. Social reformers don't care what people think of them, but what people think of injustice. I'm willing to get people angry at me to get them angry at abortion."

Though a conservative, Cunningham does not spare conservatives in his prescription to end abortion. The principal reason the pro-life movement has made so little progress over the last 30 years is because social reform is new to conservatives," he said. "Conservatives, to their discredit, are frequently defenders of an unjust status quo and it's political liberals who usually try to effect reform. Conservatives mistakenly imagine that in order to be effective, you have to be liked. At some level, they just can't deal with disapproval the way liberals can." Conservatives are "beaten down by liberals who are very clever at identity politics. 'If you're against abortion, you're against women.' That's an intellectually dishonest way of changing the subject; to discredit your opponent because you don't want to deal with his argument. None of those tactics work in the face of a dead baby picture in your windshield on the way to work. Is this a baby or isn't it? Is this an act of violence or isn't it? Should this be lawful or not?

"The pro-life movement doesn't have a clue as to how to change peoples' understandings of the facts of abortion. They just want to shout conclusions and opinions at people. What's really bizarre is that mainstream pro-life organizations and the Church are working harder than Planned Parenthood to suppress the best evidence we have -- photo evidence -- that abortion is an act of violence and it does kill a baby."

Cunningham is very disappointed with the efforts -- or lack thereof -- of Catholic bishops to fight abortion. "The U.S. bishops just bought an ad campaign whose operating principle is subtlety. During the Vietnam War, the working press had historically low approval ratings because people were angry that night after night the television showed the police chief of Saigon blowing out the brains of a Vietcong suspect, or naked children whose clothing was burned off by napalm running toward the camera. Those photos lodged in the public mind and gradually eroded public support for U.S. involvement in the war. The press was willing to take the hit. The protesters were willing to accept persecution. They had their eyes focused on a public policy objective and you can't win that on the cheap.

"But the bishops want to win this on the cheap," continued Cunningham. "They are laboring under the misconception that to be effective you have to be liked. They need to go back and read the prophets of the Old Testament and note the consistency with which they were persecuted and even martyred. Jesus said, 'If they persecute me, they will persecute you.' Well, they're not persecuting the bishops because the bishops have been very careful to avoid any behavior that invites persecution.

"The National Council of Catholic Bishops is releasing these insipid, 'subtle' ad campaigns that are designed to be just pro-life enough to mollify the 20 percent of the Church that is comprised of traditional orthodox Catholics, but not pro-life enough to antagonize the 20 percent of parishioners who are hard-core pro-aborts and are constantly trying to throttle and thwart pro-life activism in the Church. So the 60 percent who are in the middle on all of this are just abandoned to twist in the wind. It's the attempt to create the impression that NCCB is serious about abortion, when they're really only doing half-measured, conscience-salving stuff that is so dishonest.

Cunningham is equally disappointed with Evangelicals in the fight for life. He believes both Catholics and Protestants are losing an opportunity and uses the term "the Church" as a reference to all denominations. "The bishops are wrong about this," he said. "It may be that when you offend people they will close their ears, but I'm not speaking to them. I care what they do with their eyes and they can't close their eyes on the freeway without having a wreck. We are a visual culture. So many people in the pro-life movement learned in an age when people read and listened. That's over. Kids learn today by looking, and people my age, middle-aged people, don't get that. The bishops and Respect Life coordinators don't get that, and that's one of the reasons we're losing this thing. Gut decision makers tend to be voyeuristic; so if that's where the culture is, that's where we've got to engage them. The bishops are just bureaucrats. If the bishops were where the pope is in the fight against abortion, this fight would be over.

"This slaughter is occurring with our permission. The Church is permitting an atrocity to happen that God has given us the resources to stop. That's why the Church has blood on its hands in a very real sense. When Jesus commanded us show our love for God by obeying His commandments, he wasn't just talking about prohibitions against doing evil, He was talking as well about our affirmative duty to intervene on behalf of those who are being victimized by injustice. That's what the parable of the Good Samaritan is about and it's that affirmative duty that the Church is failing to discharge. Even while the Church mumbles platitudes about abortion being law, you show me your checkbook and I'll show you what you're serious about. From that perspective, the Church is hardly serious about abortion. All 'peace and justice' issues are irrelevant to dead babies. Illiteracy, homelessness, poverty, disease, hunger are absolutely irrelevant to a dead baby. Abortion is a threshold sin. It's a foundational evil."

As we turn on the 210 and enter the San Gabriel Valley, traffic gets heavier. As we get closer to Pasadena, the cars start getting more expensive. Although no one is making obscene gestures at us today - otherwise a frequent occurrence -- many people are glaring or staring at the trucks. Passengers in cars point and seem to be having animated discussions. "When we are in Orange County and the Inland Empire, we get looks of stunned disbelief," said Cunningham. "Some people will attempt to cut us off or break into the convoy. They'll do that when they haven't seen the police car behind us. We'll see more aggressive driving the closer we get to West L.A. That's where the cultural elites are.

"Sometimes we'll go into Malibu and Topanga Canyon and that's where the studio bigwigs are. You'll start really seeing the obscene gestures and scowls and frowns. They're scandalized because they regard these areas as their domain and we're violating the sanctity of their liberal environs by bringing the truth of abortion to Malibu."

To prevent legal harassment, the project keeps two public interest law firms on retainer: the Life Legal Defense Foundation and the Thomas More Center. "We involve counsel in the planning of everything we do, from the conceptual level all the way through implementation," said Cunningham. "We structure our activities to give us maximum litigation advantage and our adversaries the minimum of openings to harass us in court. In the eleven years the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform has been doing its work, we have not been sued once. We are easily the most aggressive pro-life organization in the country. We've only sued someone else once; we brought a federal lawsuit against Indiana University last year and forced a settlement on them that allows us to display our Genocide Awareness Project at a very prominent location on their campus."

In spite of the "in your face" approach of this project, Cunningham denounces all pro-life violence. Still, Cunningham thinks the pro-life movement has not been all that violent. "Look at the history of social reform," said Cunningham, "and note the thousands of bombings and riots and injuries and arrests and murders (especially during the civil rights movement and anti-Vietnam war movement). Compare that to the pro-life movement, where only seven lives have been lost in 30 years, with only a tiny fraction of bombings and arsons and virtually no riots. To suggest that the pro-life movement has been violent is preposterous. There were more people killed during a few days of rioting in the Rodney King matter in Los Angeles than have been killed in the entire history of the pro-life movement -- not only in this country, but worldwide.

The Genocide Awareness Project is funded by donations. "Ironically, much of our work is being funded by people in the southeastern United States. There are some enlightened donors there who believe the best way to fight abortion in Kentucky is by funding pro-life activism in Southern California because California is such a trend-setting state. If you're able to make a dent in public opinion here, the theory is that the influence that the activism creates will spread to other parts of the country. Almost all of the funding has come from private individuals and almost none of it is institutional money." What is Cunningham's goal should the funding continue to increase? "Expansion to more cities," he said.

A former state legislator, justice department official, and assistant U.S. attorney, Cunningham, 54, says something deeper keeps him doing pro-life work. "I sat in the U.S. Attorney's office in Los Angeles," said Cunningham, "and every week watched 25 or 30 resumés come across my desk from people at very good law firms and from very good law schools; day by day it became clearer to me that any one of these people could do my job at least as well as I, and some of them better. But none of them would be willing to fight the greatest moral evil the world has ever seen. I thought to myself, 'I'm going to have to stand before the judgment seat of Christ and explain what I was doing while the sewers of our cities were running red with the blood of our children.'"

"I don't understand Christians who agonize about being in the will of God and then dedicate their lives to doing the work that the pagans are perfectly willing to do! Christians want to live a 'normal life' and the 'American Dream,' but that notion would have been absolutely anathema to firstcentury Christians. I admit, I'm a materialistic person. I used to have a private plane. I had a Rolex and drove a Porsche, and I miss them. But I can't have those things and sit here on the freeway, scandalizing Southern California with the horror of abortion. We've got to make a choice. If I'm going to be serious about giving more of my time to this work, then I've got to be willing to live more modestly than I was willing to live. I'm not some super-spiritual person; this was not easy. My contemporaries with whom I went to law school are at the apex of their careers, doing things I would rather be doing and living in places where I would rather live.

"A guy named Leith Anderson wrote a book called Dying For Change about the Church," continued Cunningham. "He noticed that the Church and para-church organizations tend to move away from geographical centers of cultural influence while liberal organizations tend to move into centers of cultural influence. We see this again and again, that conservatives would rather live where they want to live and be left alone, where liberals want to change the world. So liberals go where they can have the greatest possible impact -- the news centers, media, entertainment and education - to the points of influence that have the greatest impact on the culture. Conservatives, again, are dumb as a post about all this. The irony of it is most traditional Christians, Catholic, Evangelical, what have you, are conservatives, and they're under a biblical mandate from our Lord to change the world. It is we who are supposed to be changing that world and we have abdicated that responsibility to pagan liberals -- some of them masquerading as Catholic clerics."

As we enter a bumper-to-bumper 405 South at the Sepulveda Pass, we are in what Cunningham describes as one of the areas where the offense taken at the photos is greatest. He is able to generalize reactions according to car models. "Porsches aren't that bad and Mercedeses aren't that bad, but there's something about a BMW that attracts serious pro-aborts. I saw a lady who almost had a wreck on the 405 North; she got off at one of the Hollywood exits and she was leaning out of her window, wobbling and swerving, trying to shout backward at us, while she tried to exit. I was afraid she would get cut in half. If abortion is O.K., then why do these pictures upset them so?"

As we move south of Westwood, we turn east on 10 and traffic thins out. Gawkers continue to slow down and stare as they pass us, but the ride back to the warehouse is uneventful. As we pull into the lot, a pickup following us takes down the building's address, then flees before the police stop him. They don't bother chasing him. Another successful mission is accomplished. An estimated 400 thousand drivers have seen the message.

Cunningham's strategy is best summarized by analogy to a chess game. "This is like a chess game where we don't even let our opponent sit down at the table until we've pre-positioned the pieces to place him at checkmate," said Cunningham. "Then we invite him to sit down and tell him, 'It's your move.' Although we're not going to do anything unlawful or immoral, we're not going to play this game pursuant to rules written by pro-aborts and weak bishops."


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To: Caleb1411
Bump
241 posted on 12/01/2001 12:21:20 PM PST by Professional
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To: Jerry_M
"Functioning concience". Something that is far too often lacking in today's society. Too many conciences "seared as with a hot iron".

bingo!

242 posted on 12/01/2001 12:27:22 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: walden
I'm sorry you have such a grey view of the abortion issue. Admittedly...a reasonable person can make an argument in the case of the life of the mother or in the case of a horribly malformed unborn baby. However aside from that it becomes rather clear to many of us that abortion is indeed killing a baby that would have otherwise had a life outside it's mother's womb.

I'm frequently perplexed how women such as yourself who has children of her own can take such ambivalent(at best) stands on this issue. Folks like yourself should know better than folks like myself..after all I'm only a "donor husband' as they say.

Well ...at least you don't claim to be a rabid pro abortion lady.

btw...your artwork is quite pleasing!!

243 posted on 12/01/2001 12:46:03 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: pcl
Given your admitted years that you've voted Republican (straight ticket) then you would have atended VPI and not Virginia Tech. Further you also admit to attending Unitarian church services.

As someone whose family has a long VMI tradition I must confess that your VPI history alone is personally reason enough for me to disregard your callous views on abortion.

Anyone who admits to attending Unitarian services on this forum is either nuts or masochistic.

I have observed you having fun with all the anti-abortion folks (of which I'm a member) on what should be to even the pro-abortion crowd a darkly serious matter.

I suggest you save your pith and wit for something a bit lighter. The day will come when you shall rue the fact that once you had sport with those who are trying to stop the wholesale slaughter of the innocent unborn. Talibanesque(your words) Christian Conservatives are the least of your worries.

Your sense of propriety is alarming. I suspect you are a lying libertarian cloaked as a Republican voter.

244 posted on 12/01/2001 1:00:38 PM PST by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
Thank you for the compliment on my art!

I'm not pro-abortion at all, but I am too much of a gardener to see the seed, the seedling, and the flower as the same things. I also care as much for girls and women as I do for the unborn, and unfortunately, their lives occasionally conflict. I would like to see abortion outlawed altogether in the third trimester; if it is necessary to save the life of the mother, then birth should be induced (or by C-section) and all attempts made to save the baby. In the second trimester, the baby is usually not viable at all, but I would like to see abortion legal if required to save the life of the mother, or in the case of a severely damaged or doomed baby (most amnio results are not available until the 2nd trimester.) As for the first trimester, I would like to see it available but discouraged-- in fact, anyone who wanted a second abortion would have to agree to sterilization, if I were making the laws.

Meanwhile, if the Christian community, the pro-lifers who believe so strongly would step in and provide support and help-- taking pregnant young girls into their homes, helping with finances, adopting the babies, etc., then I believe that abortion would be virtually eliminated-- certainly, it would be dramatically reduced from where it is today.

I think an abortion is a bad choice, one I would not make myself under any but the most extreme conditions, but I am not willing like so many here are to impose my own view of life and beliefs on others. What really scares me though is that as life becomes more complex, and medical science becomes more powerful, so many here are absolutely refusing to use their brains to deal with reality. One unarguable result of the absolute prohibition on abortion-- which means declaring that a fertilized egg is a "person"-- is a complete prohibition on in vitro fertilization. So, millions of children living today would simply not exist. I'm not willing to tell those parents who desperately want those babies that they can't have them-- simply because the process will produce fertilized eggs that cannot be used.

245 posted on 12/01/2001 1:15:41 PM PST by walden
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To: independentgrrl
Of COURSE the results of the poll would be different!!! But, haven't you learned anything yet? We don't count!

Ha! But someday, we WILL count, and that's what I'm hanging on to.....someday soon. What a glorious day that will be.

246 posted on 12/01/2001 2:20:28 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Caleb1411; didaskalos; Frumanchu
This is one of the most amazing articles I have ever read! Having done battle with others on other threads about Christian values, the state of our country, and the sins that some think God won't judge, it's encourging to see that someone has the guts to actually do what many only wish they could do. He is absolutely right in condemning the "church" (mainstream denominations), conservatives, and misguided pro-lifers who use violence, for being soft on getting the truth out in front of the people. May God bless this man's efforts, and reward him abundantly for standing up for life. Bump to the top!
247 posted on 12/01/2001 2:20:30 PM PST by nobdysfool
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To: walden
Meanwhile, if the Christian community, the pro-lifers who believe so strongly would step in and provide support and help--

Yes, yes, such a concept. Wonder how we can do that if we're not allowed NEAR them as they're entering the clinics, eh? Morph our material to them? And I also wonder why we're not allowed in the high schools for OUR messages......but hey, what's it matter?

I'm not willing to tell those parents who desperately want those babies that they can't have them-- simply because the process will produce fertilized eggs that cannot be used.

How's about they adopt one of those millions of non-slaughtered babies now available through your above premise?

248 posted on 12/01/2001 2:27:55 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Brad's Gramma
"Wonder how we can do that if we're not allowed NEAR them as they're entering the clinics, eh? Morph our material to them? And I also wonder why we're not allowed in the high schools for OUR messages......but hey, what's it matter?"

I'm not talking about a "message", I'm talking about real, concrete help. A place to live. Help with money. Help with keeping the baby, if that's what the women want. Help with staying in school, or finding a job. Legal help to deal with parents and boyfriends, if necessary. Random groups of loud-mouthed people yelling is called harassment, not help. Planned Parenthood has a huge infrastructure-- it seems to me that the pro-lifers could do something similar. You could have safe houses right next door to every abortion clinic in the country, staffed by loving, caring people ready to help. I don't see that happening.

As for the in vitro babies and the parents who had them? I find your response singularly cold-hearted, but no more than I expected. Many women want to carry their own baby and give birth. Some men aren't willing to accept a child that isn't "theirs". But, I guess you've just got it all figured out and no one else's desires or dreams or circumstances really matter, do they? YOU KNOW WHAT GOD WANTS. Well, I don't know what God wants-- guess I didn't get that memo-- so I just sort of work at figuring things out the best way I can.

249 posted on 12/01/2001 3:15:40 PM PST by walden
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To: Caleb1411
You're naughty.

I like that.

Dan

251 posted on 12/01/2001 3:32:04 PM PST by BibChr
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To: walden
You could have safe houses right next door to every abortion clinic in the country, staffed by loving, caring people ready to help. I don't see that happening.

Would that it could happen, walden. In many cases there simply isn't available space for a crisis pregnancy center to purchase. For example, one of the most infamous abortuaries in the Twin Cities is the Meadowbrook Women's Center, located in the Methodist Hospital complex. No crisis pregnancy center would be allowed to "compete" for babies' lives within that complex.

There are many crisis pregnancy centers in existence, though. Though the listing isn't exhaustive, to my knowledge, there's a CPC Network web site which lists many of those centers in each state and Canada. Minnesota, for example, has 57 listings; they're in small towns, medium-sized cities, and large areas like Minneapolis, St. Paul, Rochester, and Duluth.

Three with which I'm familiar are the Robbinsdale Women's Center (which is located close to an abortuary in the North Memorial Medical Center complex), Alpha Women's Center (in a small suburban community of 12,000), and Cradle of Hope in St. Paul. My wife and I support the latter two and are continually thrilled to hear the reports of babies' lives saved and women helped through crisis pregnancies with gifts of furniture, medical and rent payments, emotional support from caring volunteers, et al.

252 posted on 12/01/2001 3:42:32 PM PST by Caleb1411
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To: walden
I'm not talking about a "message", I'm talking about real, concrete help. A place to live. Help with money. Help with keeping the baby, if that's what the women want.

Sweetie, if I thought the clinics would LET us near the girls to even offer that, I'd personally start another crisis pregnancy center. If I thought the high schools would let us in to at least give the kids the (cough cough) CHOICE between abortion or not, I'd start up one of those, too. Oh, you best believe it.

As to the rest of your reply regarding invitro and my cold hearted answer...well, guess what? Ya think I'm having a knee jerk reaction here? I know FAR MORE than I'm going to share on ANY forum regarding that subject.

And....I DID get "the memo". It's available to you, too. Wanna talk???????

253 posted on 12/01/2001 3:45:54 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: RnMomof7
"Cunningham recognizes that some people will never be convinced."

Oh no, he's wrong. Someday, everybody will be convinced. And not only convinced, but sorry and repentant. But it will be too late.

254 posted on 12/01/2001 3:51:56 PM PST by babylonian
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To: Brad's Gramma
When I see a safe house next to every Planned Parenthood clinic, then I'll know you and your movement are serious. Until then, it's just talk.
255 posted on 12/01/2001 3:55:50 PM PST by walden
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To: Caleb1411
Then it sounds like you are well on your way to creating the necessary infrastructure to deal with the problem-- that's excellent! If there are some places you aren't "allowed to compete", well, it sounds like legal work might be in order.

I know that the Catholic Church is one of the world's richest institutions, and I also know that Protestant churches and televangelists raise billions each year. If the will were there to solve this problem, it could be solved, or at least dramatically reduced.

256 posted on 12/01/2001 4:02:59 PM PST by walden
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To: pcl
pcl, the conscious being, is attached to a processing system that can betray you, or be made to betray you. The false programming input and computations by the computer-like part of the brain can be at serious disagreement with your soul and consciousness. The brain machine can be manipulated into what consciousness knows is wrong. We can be misprogrammed into going where a dissonant consciousness can not survive.

It is also conceivable and defensible that there be an adaptation to variability or deviations in the extremes of incoming information. If your mentality is exposed to increasing variation and a wider spectrum of extremity, subsequent toleration for variation or extremism increases. That is, previous extremes increase the subsequent amount of actual extremism necessary in a communication, act, or attitude before it is perceived as extreme or unreasonable.

While you may average information to find your central position, you may also average out the deviation in incoming information, and take that average as being an acceptable extreme. If the average amount of extremism or unreasonableness increases, this should result in adaptation. Subjection to large amounts of extremism might result in de-sensitization, gross loss of perspective, and a general decrement in ability to judge extremity or reasonableness. In a sense, this points to a loosening up, a decrement in critical reasoning ability upon repeated battering. To some extent, this is probably what has happened in your recent posting insanity and attempts to manipulate the truth.

257 posted on 12/01/2001 4:04:14 PM PST by lockeliberty
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To: walden
When I see a safe house next to every Planned Parenthood clinic, then I'll know you and your movement are serious.

Would you help us with this cause?

258 posted on 12/01/2001 4:10:26 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma
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To: walden
I know that the Catholic Church is one of the world's richest institutions, and I also know that Protestant churches and televangelists raise billions each year. If the will were there to solve this problem, it could be solved, or at least dramatically reduced.

Although the Catholic Church as an institution is strongly pro-life, I don't have knowledge of its direct involvement with CPCs. Others on this forum can probably speak to that issue.

Many of the Protestant churches are wolves in sheep's clothing. They're as pro-abortion as they are theologically apostate. There'll be freeze warnings in the eternal habitation of the unredeemed before you'll see them trying to save babies' lives.

259 posted on 12/01/2001 4:19:19 PM PST by Caleb1411
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To: Brad's Gramma
"Would you help us with this cause?"

Actually, yes I will. Get me the name of a respected and trustworthy organization that I can research, and I'll send them a check.

260 posted on 12/01/2001 4:20:29 PM PST by walden
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