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United Parcel Service eliminates competition
17-Nov-2001 | wwjdn

Posted on 11/17/2001 4:40:42 PM PST by wwjdn

The United Parcel Service (UPS) has found a new way to eliminate competition, they are now making you pay double if you make a mistake on a package and send through a third party vendor (i.e. Mail Boxes Etc.).

I recently tried to send a birthday present to my daughter, so I mailed the box full of presents from Mail Boxes Etc. Little did I know this would cost me more than I bargained for. It seems that I made a mistake on the zip code for the parcel. All other fields were correct.

UPS noticed my mistake the next day and was kind enough to return the package to Mail Boxes Etc. for me free of charge. Therein lies the problem. The cost for returning a package at no charge ends up costing me double the original cost, because they refuse to ship the parcel now.

My costs have now doubled because if I wish to send my daughter a present I have to re-address the parcel and re-send it through UPS. When I contacted UPS to see of this was a mistake I was informed the following:

Thank you for your inquiry. Commercial Counters and Authorized Shipping Outlets are independently owned shipping outlets that provide service to customers shipping packages. They are not UPS owned facilities. Please note, the Authorized Shipping Outlet is responsible for all aspects of the shipment transaction; you do not deal directly with UPS. Thank you for using UPS Internet Services.

In my simple understanding of this message I am now to understand that had I used UPS directly without using an inferior second rate service, this would not have cost me double.

How do the rest of you feel about this? I am quite simply outraged. I will never use UPS again. There are plenty of "customer friendly" companies out there that care about the customer and some even allow for a simple mistake in addressing occasionally.

Please let me know your thoughts and pass the word that if you like UPS, then don't use a second rate intermediary.


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No more UPS for me!
1 posted on 11/17/2001 4:40:42 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: Khepera
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2 posted on 11/17/2001 4:41:32 PM PST by wwjdn
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3 posted on 11/17/2001 4:43:51 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
I would never use Mailboxes, Etc. They ripped me off years ago and lost a customer FOREVER.
4 posted on 11/17/2001 4:44:11 PM PST by Timmy
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To: wwjdn
An error in the ZIP CODE is not a "small mistake," however infrequent "you" make one. Think of the countless others who "occasionally" make similar mistakes. An incorrect address is hardly the fault of UPS. It's yours! You error cost UPS time, and "time" equals money!

No sympathy here. Like the stupid Florida voters, you have learned a lesson.

5 posted on 11/17/2001 4:49:04 PM PST by onyx
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To: wwjdn
This is an indication that things are really getting back to normal after 9/11 if this is the biggest problem you have.

This may come as a surprise to you, but personal responsibility means you have to pay for your own mistakes. It certainly wasn't UPS' fault you screwed up. It wasn't even Mail Box, etc.'s fault. WHO IS SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR YOUR SCREW UP???

6 posted on 11/17/2001 4:49:31 PM PST by Jolly Green
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To: wwjdn
It's not UPS directly that wants to charge you again, as they say, it's the 3rd party. Next time, call UPS directly on their toll-free number and they will come to your home to pick up your package. On the phone in advance, you will tell them the addressee information and if anything you say is amiss regarding the zip code or city or state, UPS will know. They will bring their own shipping label to you when they pick up the package. I always ship UPS for heavy items and I never leave the house! Of course, their prices keep increasing. In fact, I find them just as costly as USPS priority mail and Fed-X.
7 posted on 11/17/2001 4:50:11 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Jolly Green
It shows you how low companies are getting, it took them longer to send the package back (which costs them noey) than it would to fix the problem.

Do you never make a mistake?

Obviously not!

8 posted on 11/17/2001 4:51:58 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: Timmy
I have found that dealing directly with a UPS service desk is best - if you can find them and travel to them. Most cities just have one place. Thank goodness though there is an option to the surly popstal employees. I think the mark-up by Mail Boxes, etc is too much.
9 posted on 11/17/2001 4:53:35 PM PST by RushingWater
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To: onyx
How mature, you comapre me to Florida voters.

Care to compare IQ's?

I didn't think so.

The issue is customer service. Not fault. A few years ago UPS would never have charged double.

If you don't see this as a problem then go back to sleep.

10 posted on 11/17/2001 4:53:41 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
Your defensive and utterly childish response to me tells me all I want to know about you. You are a "victim" --- always!

You make the mistake, you whine about the consequences, and then you "post" your whine here for all to read. When you get responses that do not comport with your self-serving "victimhood" you lash out!

Personal responsibility. Take some.

11 posted on 11/17/2001 5:07:22 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx
Gee I wish I could have said that. You are evading the subject. Are you a Democrat?
12 posted on 11/17/2001 5:15:16 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
The United Parcel Service (UPS) has found a new way to eliminate competition, they are now making you pay double if you make a mistake on a package and send through a third party vendor (i.e. Mail Boxes Etc.).

Should Mailboxes eat the charges? I don't think so. UPS doesn't cut anyone any breaks, so no matter who messed it up, the shipper has to pay.

I recently tried to send a birthday present to my daughter, so I mailed the box full of presents from Mail Boxes Etc. Little did I know this would cost me more than I bargained for. It seems that I made a mistake on the zip code for the parcel. All other fields were correct.

UPS noticed my mistake the next day and was kind enough to return the package to Mail Boxes Etc. for me free of charge. Therein lies the problem. The cost for returning a package at no charge ends up costing me double the original cost, because they refuse to ship the parcel now.

Who refuses to ship the package now? I'm sure either UPS or Mailboxes would be happy to ship it for you, but you will have to pay again.

My costs have now doubled because if I wish to send my daughter a present I have to re-address the parcel and re-send it through UPS. When I contacted UPS to see of this was a mistake I was informed the following:

Thank you for your inquiry. Commercial Counters and Authorized Shipping Outlets are independently owned shipping outlets that provide service to customers shipping packages. They are not UPS owned facilities. Please note, the Authorized Shipping Outlet is responsible for all aspects of the shipment transaction; you do not deal directly with UPS. Thank you for using UPS Internet Services.

In my simple understanding of this message I am now to understand that had I used UPS directly without using an inferior second rate service, this would not have cost me double.

That is not the case, you would still have to pay. UPS is famous for bad customer service, overcharging, goofing up, losing items, breaking things, etc. They will only admit fault if you threaten legal action. They seem to figure that if they can just keep you from trying to resolve something its cheaper than paying a claim or admitting fault.

How do the rest of you feel about this? I am quite simply outraged. I will never use UPS again. There are plenty of "customer friendly" companies out there that care about the customer and some even allow for a simple mistake in addressing occasionally.

FedEx is better, but there aren't a lot of choices.

Please let me know your thoughts and pass the word that if you like UPS, then don't use a second rate intermediary.

I don't think that Mailboxes in this case was second rate at all. If you made the mistake, they still have to pay the shipping charges to UPS, because UPS will still make Mailboxes pay. We have a shipping service in our office as a convienience to our customers. We make the customer fill out the book so if there is a mistake, we don't take a hit. We don't make a whole lot of cash with shipping, so when UPS loses or breaks something it eats up every single penny of profit and then some to try to help the customer with their claim.

Mailboxes Etc. and other services like it are there for convienience. A lot of people don't know where the UPS terminal is, or that they can even drop off a package there. I can tell you that even if you did drop it off directly at the UPS terminal you would still have to pay the shipping again.

I have been dealing with UPS for years now and they know they don't have a lot of competition. It shows in how they treat their customers. Badly.

My experience tells me that you are lucky to even get your package back. Usually it would end up in their land of lost packages in Atlanta. If you wouldn't have gotten your package back, you could expect a fight that lasts for months before you got your claim settled. That is UPS standard procedure, not Mailboxes.

The U.S. Postal Service is cheaper. Try them.

13 posted on 11/17/2001 5:18:53 PM PST by abner
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To: onyx
I do not mena to attack you, but I tire of people evading the subject and going off in tangents.

This is poor customer service and a terrible way to run a business. We (at least I) make mistakes.

14 posted on 11/17/2001 5:18:56 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn; Timmy
I sent a box of time-sensitive legal documents overnight via Mail Boxes Etc. only to find out that the shipment did NOT go out the same day. The proprietor of the store was a real moron. I paid $52.00 for nothing and couldn't get anyone to listen to my complaint. I might have had some recourse for a chargeback on my credit or debit card, but unfortunately I'd paid cash on that rare occasion. Never again!
15 posted on 11/17/2001 5:19:32 PM PST by buickmackane
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To: abner
Thanks for the post. I was refering to UPS deeming Mail Boxes Etc. as second rate. I tend to think they overcharge but when you are in a hurry you may have to pay.

FedEx will definately get my business from now on.

Thanks for the reminder that I am in good company and I am not the only that thinks UPS has became too big and too unfriendly. Kind of reminds me of USPS, but at least they try to help most of the time.

I didn't expect Mail Boxes Etc. to eat the costs, I expected UPS to make allowances occasionally...but then that might get them return customers.

16 posted on 11/17/2001 5:23:42 PM PST by wwjdn
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To: wwjdn
Why is it poor customer service if YOU made the mistake?
17 posted on 11/17/2001 5:25:12 PM PST by Howlin
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To: RushingWater
I think the mark-up by Mail Boxes, etc is too much.

The reason is that if they have a claim and have to help the customer try to settle it with UPS, it can take dozens of phone calls to UPS, hours of time, and months to settle the claim. All this, only if they don't get mad at your persistence and hang up on you. They have no problem lying to you repeatedly just so they don't have to pay. We have taken to logging all calls to UPS because they can never keep their story straight. One time we had a rep tell us that we only entered the package in our computer log and that it was never picked up by the driver.

Guess what, we are one of the few people left on the planet that still use the paper log.

That is why Mailboxes is expensive.

18 posted on 11/17/2001 5:27:41 PM PST by abner
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To: wwjdn
This is poor customer service and a terrible way to run a business.

The customer is NOT always right. As a former customer service rep, I can attest to that.

19 posted on 11/17/2001 5:28:45 PM PST by southern rock
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To: wwjdn
Use FedEx Ground or FedEx Home Delivery.
20 posted on 11/17/2001 5:29:08 PM PST by Glenn
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