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Burqa 'liberation' is a con
London Evening Standard ^ | 15 November 2001 | Chris Stephen

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:56 PM PST by BritBulldog

The biggest con of Kabul's new masters is the claim that under "liberation" women are getting a better deal.

For the benefit of the foreign press there are now female announcers on Radio Afghanistan. And for photographers now swarming around the city, a few women will obligingly take off their burqas.

But what the photos don't show is these women putting the burqas back on immediately afterwards. Because the truth is that, Taliban or no Taliban, women here remain strictly second-class.

Almost every woman in Afghanistan continues to wear this burqa, a humiliating and ridiculous robe that forces her to walk with pigeon steps to avoid falling over, and to stare out at the world through a narrow 30-degree field of vision.

True, women are no longer beaten or stoned by the Taliban religious police for showing a flash of ankle. But the new regime has a different mechanism for ensuring compliance: shame.

Officially, no woman needs to wear the burqa. But each will bring disgrace on her family by not wearing one. For the secret of this society is a tightly observed conspiracy that goes way beyond any laws and needs no enforcement.

"Liberation" means that men are the only ones actually doing things: those cheering crowds who welcomed the foreign journalists were all men or boys.

The translators now working for us are all men. The drivers, shopkeepers, hotel receptionists and computer operators are exclusively men. Women, when seen at all, scurry from one doorway to another.

Only a few years ago women in Afghan cities wore flashy clothes and went to university. But those women have long since emigrated.

The best insight into the attitude to women here came today as I rattled through the streets in a our white and yellow taxi. A woman of indeterminate age - how can you tell, when they are all forced to wear tents for clothes? - stepped out to cross the road.

Our car was going fast, as fast as is usual in the traffic madhouse that has descended on Kabul since Liberation on Tuesday. I expected the driver to stop. However, he pumped not the brake but the horn as the car bore down on her. The woman, her light blue burqa now flapping in the wind, had to scurry out of the way, stumbling and nearly falling as she did so, her steps limited by the width of the dress.

We missed her by a couple of feet and the taxi sped past, the driver shaking his head.

The Northern Alliance officials now in the capital mutter privately about not wanting women to vote. Education for girls is fine, education for women is pointless. Their role is to serve men - no more, no less.

Tony Blair can talk all he likes about supporting a broad-based, rights-respecting government for Kabul but the truth is that the next regime - whomever it includes - will treat women in a way that, were it done to men, would be a breach of the world slavery convention.

For the women of Kabul, "liberation" is a relative concept.


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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: DAnconia55
The lesser of two evils is still the lesser of two evils.

Another way of sarying this: The biggest enemy of the good is perfection.

22 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:02 PM PST by Restorer
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To: BritBulldog
How long before the liberal women make the burqa a fashion statement ? Jane Fonda in a burqa ?
23 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:02 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: BritBulldog
It will take time. As the article said, women who used to move freely have emigrated. As the world gets acquainted with Afghanistan, things will change for some but not for all. You can't change things overnight.
24 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:03 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: BritBulldog
We did rather well writing Japan's constitution after WWII, but women there are still "second class citizens". I guess we shouldn't have bothered then?

It's culture, not government. Or does "multiculturalism" only mean what YOU want it to?

25 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:03 PM PST by lds23
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To: VRWC_minion
Jane Fonda in a burqa ?

The only way she'd look better is in a coffin.

26 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:03 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: BritBulldog
Brit, take a deep breath, and give it a few days, weeks or months. Change is inevitable because the whole world is now watching. Lighten up, dude.
27 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:07 PM PST by Kibbylou
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To: dighton
LORD, what an carping idiot!

That was "carping idiot" and not, well, you know.

28 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:09 PM PST by Orual
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To: BritBulldog
Ever wonder how many US SF & Brit SAS are under those 'burqas'?
29 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:11 PM PST by kahoutek
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To: BritBulldog
I think the liberals are out to bash any idea that keeps women from being whores, prostitutes, and Abortion provider raw material suppliers openly and proudly. Some people have different ideas and they just hate that. Heck they tell me I'm just like the Talaban because I am a Christian and follow the tenants of Christianity. These folks are following the tenants of their religion. If you want to bash someone do it for a real reason like because they killed a bunch of innocent people in the WTC attack.
30 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:13 PM PST by Khepera
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To: BritBulldog
True, women are no longer beaten or stoned by the Taliban religious police for showing a flash of ankle. But the new regime has a different mechanism for ensuring compliance: shame.

Well, women can now be educated, the beatings are reduced and Health Care is more available.

Next thing you know, they'll be voicing opinions in public, voting and soon after that -- western clothing including tube tops and the "wonder bra". Don't get pissy if all the Afghan social norms aren't set to the liking of the London Evening Standard this moment.

31 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:13 PM PST by Smedley
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To: BritBulldog
Eccl 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
Eccl 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
Eccl 3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

This idiot only knows one time -- a time to tear down.

33 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:23 PM PST by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: comitatus; Ratatoskr; VRWC_minion; Dr. Frank; Gumlegs; AmericanVictory; dighton; Restorer
The writer is just trying to dampen the hysteria over the defeat of the Taliban in Kabul. It hardly compares with the defeat of Communism in some of the former Soviet States or the collapse of the Berlin Wall, as some would have us believe.

We should be thankful for small mercy's, sure, but that is all it is. I don't know whether you got footage there of the atrocities carried out by the Northern Alliance in Kabul. If this lot has any major part in the new government................

34 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:25 PM PST by BritBulldog
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To: BritBulldog
It hardly compares with the defeat of Communism in some of the former Soviet States or the collapse of the Berlin Wall, as some would have us believe.

Who are "some"?

We should be thankful for small mercy's, sure, but that is all it is.

I find measurements of the relative size of the Mercies in question to be more reliable when coming from the people directly affected themselves - namely, Afghanis and Afghan women in particular - than when they come from dispassionate skeptical Western observers trying their darnedest to rain on a parade.

But, maybe that's just me.

35 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:25 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: BritBulldog
True, women are no longer beaten or stoned by the Taliban religious police for showing a flash of ankle. But the new regime has a different mechanism for ensuring compliance: shame.

Isn't that what is the principle in the writer's country of origin: the state leaves such matters to the family.

It seems that ours is the only culture that outlawed shame.

36 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:26 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: BritBulldog
It hardly compares with the defeat of Communism in some of the former Soviet States or the collapse of the Berlin Wall, as some would have us believe.

I would think it depends on where you sit. A woman in Kabul would think the collapse of the Taliban is much greater impact on her liberty than the collapse of the Berlin wall.

37 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:40 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: lds23
We did rather well writing Japan's constitution after WWII, but women there are still "second class citizens". I guess we shouldn't have bothered then? It's culture, not government. Or does "multiculturalism" only mean what YOU want it to?

No one's saying we shouldn't have bothered. We just shouldn't collude with this "culture" too much.

38 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:40 PM PST by BritBulldog
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To: Khepera
I think the liberals are out to bash any idea that keeps women from being whores, prostitutes, and Abortion provider raw material suppliers openly and proudly. Some people have different ideas and they just hate that. Heck they tell me I'm just like the Talaban because I am a Christian and follow the tenants of Christianity. These folks are following the tenants of their religion. If you want to bash someone do it for a real reason like because they killed a bunch of innocent people in the WTC attack.

So you've got to be liberal to hate the subjugation of women, then? Couldn't find a better reason to bash someone than for the tenants of their religion, especially when those tenants cause so much suffering.

39 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:40 PM PST by BritBulldog
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To: Khepera
I think the liberals are out to bash any idea that keeps women from being whores, prostitutes, and Abortion provider raw material suppliers openly and proudly. Some people have different ideas and they just hate that.

You are so right. The Taliban did such a wonderful job of "protecting" women. Is there a better way to keep them out of trouble other than death? </ sarcasm>

Look, we all know in your sick little fantasy world, you'd have American women wearing burquas, being beaten for not obeying every last little word of their husbands or fathers.

40 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:41 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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