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Burqa 'liberation' is a con
London Evening Standard ^ | 15 November 2001 | Chris Stephen

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:56 PM PST by BritBulldog

The biggest con of Kabul's new masters is the claim that under "liberation" women are getting a better deal.

For the benefit of the foreign press there are now female announcers on Radio Afghanistan. And for photographers now swarming around the city, a few women will obligingly take off their burqas.

But what the photos don't show is these women putting the burqas back on immediately afterwards. Because the truth is that, Taliban or no Taliban, women here remain strictly second-class.

Almost every woman in Afghanistan continues to wear this burqa, a humiliating and ridiculous robe that forces her to walk with pigeon steps to avoid falling over, and to stare out at the world through a narrow 30-degree field of vision.

True, women are no longer beaten or stoned by the Taliban religious police for showing a flash of ankle. But the new regime has a different mechanism for ensuring compliance: shame.

Officially, no woman needs to wear the burqa. But each will bring disgrace on her family by not wearing one. For the secret of this society is a tightly observed conspiracy that goes way beyond any laws and needs no enforcement.

"Liberation" means that men are the only ones actually doing things: those cheering crowds who welcomed the foreign journalists were all men or boys.

The translators now working for us are all men. The drivers, shopkeepers, hotel receptionists and computer operators are exclusively men. Women, when seen at all, scurry from one doorway to another.

Only a few years ago women in Afghan cities wore flashy clothes and went to university. But those women have long since emigrated.

The best insight into the attitude to women here came today as I rattled through the streets in a our white and yellow taxi. A woman of indeterminate age - how can you tell, when they are all forced to wear tents for clothes? - stepped out to cross the road.

Our car was going fast, as fast as is usual in the traffic madhouse that has descended on Kabul since Liberation on Tuesday. I expected the driver to stop. However, he pumped not the brake but the horn as the car bore down on her. The woman, her light blue burqa now flapping in the wind, had to scurry out of the way, stumbling and nearly falling as she did so, her steps limited by the width of the dress.

We missed her by a couple of feet and the taxi sped past, the driver shaking his head.

The Northern Alliance officials now in the capital mutter privately about not wanting women to vote. Education for girls is fine, education for women is pointless. Their role is to serve men - no more, no less.

Tony Blair can talk all he likes about supporting a broad-based, rights-respecting government for Kabul but the truth is that the next regime - whomever it includes - will treat women in a way that, were it done to men, would be a breach of the world slavery convention.

For the women of Kabul, "liberation" is a relative concept.


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Ah well, music can be now be played again, children can fly kites and men can shave off their beards.
1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:56 PM PST by BritBulldog
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To: BritBulldog
...the truth is that, Taliban or no Taliban, women here remain strictly second-class.

Meet the new regime, same as the old regime.

I'm sure things will be "better" for women but it's all a matter of degree.

2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:58 PM PST by SocialMeltdown
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To: BritBulldog
These guys will say anything to denigrate the collateral benefits the war is having on the civilian populace. Ture, Kabul is unlikely to meet NOW feminist standards in the next few weeks, but women can now walk outside without male chaperones. They will likely be able to work (starvation was the only option for widows and women with male providers under the Taliban) outside the home. Girsl will be able to go to school again. A con? I don't think many Afghan women would think so.
3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:59 PM PST by comitatus
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To: SocialMeltdown
Yeah, the executions and beatings were only a degree or two less than the shame that these women must endure if they break tradition. Same old oppression, different (but close to equal) punishments.
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:59 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: SocialMeltdown
"The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend" - Aristotle
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:59 PM PST by pocat
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To: BritBulldog
Only a few years ago women in Afghan cities wore flashy clothes and went to university. But those women have long since emigrated.

I see. And this recent condition is completely irretrievable, why?

6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:59 PM PST by Ratatoskr
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To: BritBulldog
Ah well, music can be now be played again, children can fly kites and men can shave off their beards.

Wonderland. But see, there has to be a big victory and yet another advance of democracy. All those victory speaches carry sad resembance of 1979 Pravda articles about Afghan brothers saved from gangs of pro-American (!) religious fanatic.

7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:00 PM PST by Alexandre
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To: BritBulldog
The Northern Alliance officials now in the capital mutter privately about not wanting women to vote. Education for girls is fine, education for women is pointless. Their role is to serve men - no more, no less.

Bush will pressure the NA to open schools for girls (which they have said they will do). When women are educated, they won't accept their 2nd-class status. We can't expect such a dramatic change in values to occur so quickly, but it can happen.

It might also help their self-esteem if a few girls athletic leagues were set up. Maybe the WNBA could make themselves useful, travel to Afghanistan, and organize that.

8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:00 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: BritBulldog
those cheering crowds who welcomed the foreign journalists were all men or boys.

And the day before they were Taliban fighters. Excuse me but if I were a female in that culture I'd take a bit of a wait and see attitude especially in that the same men are in charge with a different name.

9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:00 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: BritBulldog
So, the perfect should be the enemy of the good. The fact that women are no longer beaten or killed for Not Wearing Burquas counts for nothing.

Shame on us for being happy about it. Shame on us all.

10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:00 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: BritBulldog
We should give firearms and training to the women to make the victory permanent.
11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:00 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: BritBulldog
Yup. Everything didn't become perfect, so no progress whatever has been made. Did Maxine Waters write this?
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:01 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: BritBulldog
Islam is the problem. We might have set the men free, but the women will never be free unless Islam goes. The only Islamic countries where women have some form of rights are those where Islam is not part of the goverment, and Islam being a goverment religion they are unstable.
13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:01 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: BritBulldog
Wonderful comment. Funny, I would have sworn that in our own historical development, we didn't arrive where we are today in 24 hours, and there were steps and missteps along the way. It is astonishing, the totalitarian nature of liberal groupthink: everything must happen all at once to suit their model of what is right; it it the tendency exposed by Hayek.
14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:01 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: BritBulldog
Let them play this music:

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

{Refrain}
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the party on the left
Is now the party on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

How appropo.
15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:01 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: SocialMeltdown
So basically...

Taliban = GOP
Northern Alliance = Demonkrats.

That about right?
Same old game played everywhere...

Bonus Points : The lesser of two evils is still _________?

16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:01 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: BritBulldog
We aren't there to "liberate" Afghanistan. We are there to get bin Laden and his cronies.

What's Left of America had better figure out that we are NOT the world's police force and/or savior. We have no business interfering with a soverign nation at all, except as it directly affects our national security.

Oh, sorry, I forgot. That was back when we were a Constitutional Republic.

17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:02 PM PST by Jefferson Adams
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To: AmericanVictory
It is astonishing, the totalitarian nature of liberal groupthink: everything must happen all at once to suit their model of what is right; it it the tendency exposed by Hayek.

We have more than a few conservatives who belong to the "everything must happen all at once" club. Remember the ones who wanted immediate blood and couldn't wait for the bombing campaign to work ?

18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:02 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: BritBulldog
Perhaps this is merely the Standard's way of apologizing for being so wrong about everythings else in this war?
19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:02 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: BritBulldog; aculeus; Orual
For the women of Kabul, "liberation" is a relative concept.

How about that! The Taliban got chucked out hours ago, and Kabul still isn't London or New York.

LORD, what an carping idiot!

20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:18:02 PM PST by dighton
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