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Neighbors Scoff At Theory Crash Was Accident
NEW YORK POST ^ | November 14, 2001 | STEVE DUNLEAVY

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:43 PM PST by Israel

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:02:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

November 14, 2001 -- PEOPLE who live around Rockaway's own ground zero are not swallowing the story that this was an accident.

"I feel, and I've felt it is terrorism. When investigators make my house a crime scene, and I see [fighter] jets screaming overhead, I tend to think they have really got us scared.


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1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:43 PM PST by Israel
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To: Israel
It's amazing how quickly the Feds and the media went into "only an accident" spin control, implying that anyone who would think otherwise is a nutty conspiracy theorist. Don't they realize how disingenuous they sound? Why in the world would we NOT be suspicious - for God's sake, if someone threatens you over and over, and you are warned repeatedly that more terrorism will come to our land and perhaps our airplanes, and then one falls from the sky in NYC?!? I guess were supposed to be "coincidence nuts" instead of conspiracy nuts.
3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:54 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: Israel
Two points:

1) These neighbors,however well meaning, can be wrong. Well,I mean, we see what we look for, don't we?

2) Let's face it,it's a lot more exciting to be able to talk (boast?)about a plane that went down in your neighborhood that was brought down by something sinister, instead of one that "just" crashed. I mean, people are keen on listening to your story, the media takes your picture and asks your opinion, you've got something really cool to tell your grandkids 20 or 30 years down the road, etc..

4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:05:54 PM PST by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
Scoff? Let them scoff. In a few weeks we'll know for sure this was a freak accident.
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:01 PM PST by Galtoid
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To: yankeedame
For the same reason, any sort of serious wind damage in any neighborhood is going to be a "tornado" even if it was a downburst or just a major straight-line thunderstorm gust.

For the record, no one in an official position in government or the investigation has been running around saying anyone who thinks the crash was terrorism is a kooky conspiracy nut...this is a straw man argument.

6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:02 PM PST by John H K
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To: Israel
Sonic boom? Plane must have accelerated to 700 mph while it was falling apart.
7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:03 PM PST by johnandrhonda
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To: Israel
We were discussing flight 587 at work. A couple days ago I mentioned that finding the severed verticle stablelizer virtually intact, the way it was cleanly shered off, sure made doubts of accident fade in my mind.

Then last night I hear someone on Hannity & Colmes say exactly what I had said. Now I'm hearing on FOX that the rudder portion of the VS was found floating in the bay, and "experts" are saying that turbulence may be the cause.

I'm not buying accident...yet. There is no way ATC is going to let commercial jets take off that close to one another to blame turbulence. And if the A300 is that fragile, then it doesn't need to be flying passengers at all.

8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:07 PM PST by Budge
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To: Israel
I'm no expert chemical analysis and this may seem far fetched. But wouldn't it be something if you were to run out there to one of those engines and take a sample from obvious damaged or burnt areas? Then suppose those samples came up positive for C-4 or some other explosive? Seems we would have a new kind of X-file for Molder and Scully. Nuts Huh?
9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:08 PM PST by XA-3Whaler
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To: Galtoid; yankeedame
You both are kidding, right? Do you both really think this was an accident?
10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:09 PM PST by Frank Grimes
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To: Israel
Accident or no accident, the nation is freaking out and terrorism is alive and well.
11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:11 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: over3Owithabrain
Not just the media and the feds. Plenty of freepers have jumped on that particular bandwagon too--and are busily handing out boxes of Reynolds Wrap to those of us who still have serious questions about the accident theory.
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:19 PM PST by MizSterious
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To: Israel
I liked the comment by the cop in the article; he said 'I'm a cop, but I have my own theory', meaning of course that because he wears the uniform he's obligated to go along with the federal guv bs, but as a human being he thinks otherwise. Very telling comment.

The witnesses said the plane blew up in mid-air and the pieces went in different directions. They say it all happened very quickly, the pilot didn't even radio distress. The plane stopped its' normal forward trajectory and went straight down, nose first in fact. Our experience with mechanical failures does not fit this profile. Our experience with bombs does fit this profile.

13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:01 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: Red Jones
I liked the comment by the cop in the article; he said 'I'm a cop, but I have my own theory', meaning of course that because he wears the uniform he's obligated to go along with the federal guv bs,

Or "I'm a cop," not an aviation or bomb expert.....

14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:08 PM PST by lewislynn
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To: Israel
Neighbors Scoff At Theory Crash Was Accident

And we all know that "neighbors" are experts at everything......

15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:08 PM PST by lewislynn
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To: Israel
Personally, my current theory is a sniper with a high-powered rifle, at take-off, in a critical spot on the jet.

Wouldn't be easy to detect after the crash, either.

16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:10 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Israel
"I feel, and I've felt it is terrorism."

Classic case of feeling versus fact. Some days, I feel like I can walk on water, but alas that doesn't make it so...

17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:13 PM PST by LaBradford22
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To: Israel
PEOPLE who live around Rockaway's own ground zero are not swallowing the story that this was an accident.

Damn! Rockaway must have the highest concentration of engineers and aviation experts of any place in the country!

18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:16 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: lewislynn
if you're an eyewitness to an event like this a person who posses ordinary knowledge of our world and the ability to reason and think freely, not as a sheeple that is, can tell if it was an explosion due to a bomb or a failure due to mechanical problems. The witnesses say it just plain blew up suddenly and fell to the ground with different pieces going in different directions. You don't have to be an expert. If you think you have to be, then you've been intimidated. I guess those witnesses are right-wing nuts though.
19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:25 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: Red Jones
Someone sitting in his house when an engine fell in his backyard is not an eyewitness and his "feelings" aren't evidence. But "turbulence" is hard to square with witnesses who saw engines flaming and explosions in the air. Turbulence could make a plane veer and dive but come apart? Cause catastrophic engine failure? On the other hand, if the NTSB is going to lie about this and have its engineers and investigators lie, couldn't they come up with something a lot more plausible to the layperson than turbulence?

Mrs VS

20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:30 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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