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Pope Honors Death of Gay FDNY Chaplain (BARF ALERT)
The Datalounge ^ | November 12, 2001 | Christopher Barillas

Posted on 11/13/2001 4:25:45 PM PST by RobertBauman

ROME -- The helmet of Mychal Judge, the 68-year-old chaplain for the New York Fire Department killed while administering last rites to a dying firefighter on September 11 in New York, was presented to Pope John Paul II following Sunday mass at the Vatican.

Judge was a member of Dignity, the organization that represents the interests of lesbian and gay Catholics, though there was no mention made of this during the mass.

"I offer a warm welcome to the delegation from the New York City Fire Department, so many of whose members lost their lives in the terrorist attack of September 11," John Paul II said in English to the New York delegation made up of family members and fire fighters attending the Mass at St Peter's Basilica.

The delegation approached the pope and knelt before him as one of the firefighters gave John Paul the white helmet emblazoned with a gold cross.

Former President Bill Clinton and New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton were among the more than 3,000 mourners who attended the chaplain's funeral on September 15 in New York. The president called Judge's death a special loss and said, "We should live his life as an example of what has to prevail."

He was a close friend of New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.

AIDS philanthropist Edward Maloney told the Advocate he once asked Judge how he survived in New York's conservative archdiocese. "He put his fingers to his lips as if to shush the question."

Said Maloney, "Father Judge was neither out nor closeted. He knew how to walk that fine line and work behind the scenes. He brought bravery, dedication, loyalty -- and a touch of sexuality -- to the two institutions he cherished: the church and the fire department."


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It's amazing that even with the thousands of deaths we experienced recently, the homosexual crowd are still most concerned with their sex perversion. Regarding Father Mike, Andrew Sullivan has mentioned him several times on his website insisting (almost demanding) that he is a homosexual. What really is the point of these declarations except to insult the integrity of others? Will the gay militants ever stop?
1 posted on 11/13/2001 4:25:45 PM PST by RobertBauman
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2 posted on 11/13/2001 4:26:17 PM PST by RobertBauman
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Andrew Sullivan: "FATHER MYCHAL JUDGE: When I mentioned a while back that the New York City firemen's friar, Mychal Judge, was a gay man, some of you asked me for evidence. Here's a poignant piece on the man, partly prompted by my posting about him a while back, in the current New York Magazine. Prepare to be surprised and inspired."

I still don't see a shred of proof that he was a homosexual. Only that he was an honorable celibate Clergy who rejected the homosexual lifestyle and its dangers.

3 posted on 11/13/2001 4:29:23 PM PST by RobertBauman
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This is pretty chilling, but I just got warned that an abuse report was filed against me and I am in danger of being banned for posting something "anti-gay". What the heck is going on when even at FreeRepublic you can't post an opinion or information that just may not agree 100% with the New Butt Order (N.B.O.)?
4 posted on 11/13/2001 4:34:44 PM PST by RobertBauman
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Father Judge was neither out nor closeted

And in the narrow gap in that false dichotomy lies the entirety of the heterosexual world that believes there are other dimmensions of being besides whether one is homosexual or not.

5 posted on 11/13/2001 4:35:32 PM PST by AndyJackson
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Is this enough EVIDENCE for you???

It was linked to in the sentence right after the one of Sullivan's you quoted.

6 posted on 11/13/2001 4:36:08 PM PST by xm177e2
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When will we as "straights" ever stop the unending battle to smear all homosexuals as evil and less deserving of grace?

Mychal Judge was there at the World Trade Center against his better safety administering the last rights to the fallen. He was a brave man doing the Lord's work providing comfort and salvation to the dying in the wake of the atrocity while others (majority straight I am sure) were fleeing the scene. He lost his own life in that service. His bravery should be a lesson to all of us.

7 posted on 11/13/2001 4:41:50 PM PST by toupsie
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No, they will not stop.
8 posted on 11/13/2001 4:44:53 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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Look....The POPE honored a priest who lost his life doing his priestly duties, and unless Andreww Sullivan has a PICTURE of the priest KISSING a man, than he better shut the hell up.! I am SICK of everybody labellig most priests as homosexuals.....it's DISGUSTING!!!
9 posted on 11/13/2001 4:44:57 PM PST by Ann Archy
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Why on earth does it even matter? He was a brave man, now let him rest in peace.
10 posted on 11/13/2001 4:47:12 PM PST by Cagey
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This particular priest was openly homo-sexual. There is no ambiguity there.
11 posted on 11/13/2001 4:47:41 PM PST by xm177e2
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I still don't see a shred of proof that he was a homosexual.

From reading the article posted it seems those who actually knew him, for example Maloney, knew he was gay.

What I find intriguing is not the gays and lesbians who have seen Father Judge as a hero for their cause as evidenced by the way he lived and died - but those who are personally offended by that pride.

12 posted on 11/13/2001 4:48:54 PM PST by Kenyon
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So how do YOU KNOW???? Did you KNOW him...date him...What??/ How would you KNOW????
13 posted on 11/13/2001 4:49:06 PM PST by Ann Archy
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I'd like to see xm's detailed source on this too.
14 posted on 11/13/2001 4:53:28 PM PST by Cagey
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Then go to post #6 and click on the link.
15 posted on 11/13/2001 4:54:47 PM PST by xm177e2
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If he lived up to his Vow of Celibacy, his "homosexuality" is kinda a moot point, no?
16 posted on 11/13/2001 4:55:06 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: RobertBauman
information that just may not agree 100% with the New Butt Order (N.B.O.)?

Your information does agree 100% with the New Bigot Order (N.B.O.).

Welcome to the 2001. We no longer lynch blacks from trees, deny women the right to vote or demand that homosexuals hide in fear from straight men uncomfortable with their own sexuality.

Hatred is the last thing I want associated with my political agenda. You can disagree with someone's lifestyle but cannot deny them the proper respect for their heroic actions nor should you refuse to learn a lesson from those actions. To refuse the respect that Friar Judge deserves because of his sexuality is outrageous.

17 posted on 11/13/2001 4:55:13 PM PST by toupsie
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Is this enough EVIDENCE for you??? It was linked to in the sentence right after the one of Sullivan's you quoted.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I read the article in New York Magazine and it doesn't say a single thing indicating the Father was a homosexual. Did you bother to read the article. The homosexual militants like Andrew Sullivan keept trying to claim all these people as part of their crowd while the facts be damned. Do you have any proof he was anything other than a celibate Clergy? Or do you deny there are people such as the ex-gays who have rejected the homosexual lifestyle?

18 posted on 11/13/2001 4:55:58 PM PST by RobertBauman
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i have no truck with homosexuality, but my understanding of religion, flawed though it may be, suggests that it is now between mychal judge and god, and campaigning against him now won't do his immortal soul any harm, but it might tarnish yours just a smidgeon.

as to the homosexual community, seems to me that for them to look to the likes of fr. judge for an example of a good life well lived might not be that bad an idea.

dep

19 posted on 11/13/2001 4:58:46 PM PST by dep
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When will we as "straights" ever stop the unending battle to smear all homosexuals as evil and less deserving of grace?

Why are you in the pro-homosexual crowd always making up this false martyrdom stuff? No one said a single thing trying to smear Father Mike. In fact it is the gays who are doing so. No one tried to lessen his heroism at all. We are just pointing out that he wasn't a homosexual. If you want to normalize your lifestyle, you will have to do it without Michael Judge, because there is absolutely no proof that he practiced the gay lifestyle by any stretch of the imagination. Why is it so important for you for him to be a 'homosexual hero' rather than just a HERO (who rejected the gay lifestyle)?

20 posted on 11/13/2001 4:59:05 PM PST by RobertBauman
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