Posted on 11/12/2001 12:18:32 PM PST by Steven W.
Gov. Pataki is reporting that the pilot of the ill-fated American Airlines flight dumped most of the airplane's fuel over Jamaica Bay, anticipating a crash landing and most likely indicating a trained response to onboard mechanical failures.
My error was in typing 12' diameter, which, if the eye is used to thinking in terms of inches for ballistics, could be easily mistaken.
From now on, the target/gong/engine will be described as being 12 FEET in diamter.
Am not any kind of flight expert at all.
But am something of an expert on the number of times planes crashed "mysteriously" during the Clinton years (before he was in OUR HOUSE and during the nightmare years there).
Alamo-Girl has the documentation.
TWA800 was shot down by one or two missiles - without question. The NTSB and FBI "show" that tried to say it was the central fuel tank were so bogus, it like watching one of the old Soviet Communist "show trials" for one of the poor souls they were about to murder...but they had to pretend to obey some law....before they did it. (That was not the norm but it was done occasionally. More usually, the KGB just came in the middle of the night and took people away, never to be heard from or seen again).
But the NTSB show during which "experts" claimed the TWA800 Center fuel tank exploded due to sparks from wires was so outrageous, it was pure theater.
Therefore - the people investigating this crash should NOT BE appointees by Clinton, should not have any connection to the Democratic party, and should be ready and willing to investigate EVERY possibility here, including examing the mechanics who touched this plane or got near it and their BANK ACCOUNTS and their previous "service" around other planes which have crashed....especially during the Clinton years. That's just a start.
There are far easier ways to bring down an aircraft than trying to do it with a .50 caliber rifle"
I GRANTED that it would be an easy shot. I granted that it could be done. You posited that I had to prove your hypothesis didn't work. I asked for more information.
As far as spending time shooting a rifle, Gee, I dunno, but maybe the range in my back yard DOESN'T make me a really good shot.
You also stated in an earlier post (And I agreed) that a .50 caliber (or smaller) round passing through an aircraft engine WOULD destroy the engine. Dramatically, catastrophically, and immediately. The only thing I take issue with is that you stated that the engine would be destroyed when shot, but this engine didn't explode until 4 minutes later. So, either, you missed your hypothetical shot, (at the 12 FOOT gong), or you are the luckiest terrorist in the world, what with having that delay damage to the jet engine.
Also, BTW, your posts go nowhere NEAR over my head. It's just impossible to follow so many hypothetical concepts at once.
The perfect balance of the fans rotating at a gazillion rpms knocked off balance via anything ingested would cause the engine to self destruct and if damage was slow enough the imbalance would be analogous of a blowout of the tire on yer family cruiser only a hundred times faster or better. Now that cotter pin can be a nut with a bullet or just a nut dropped by the mechanic on the runway etc etc
Golden BB theory is valid, and has worked against even the best and fastest of military aircraft. A shooter laying amoung the VASI lights at the departure end could do the deed.
As to TM's suggestion about National Guard/Wooden Indian comments, I agree 100%. They should be looking versus just looked at.
On a 12 foot target, that gives plenty of room for error. Besides, a spotter with a view of a known distance on the runway could give a radio call to shoot when the plane reaches that distance. I would try for three seconds before rolloff. The plane would have plenty of speed and a crash would be certain.
Travis is right, that we need to ensure no snipers within two miles of runways.
Of course, those weekend warrior clerks and cooks would have to be taken to the range to learn to fire their rifles, which I have no doubt have cobwebs in the chambers.
If they even have bolts, or loaded magazines.
Using the dynamic components that define the ballistic performance of a projectile, including wind speed, wind direction, temperature, barometric pressure, humidity, range to target, speed of target, movement direction of target, time delay from the spotter's call to the ignition of the propellent...and calculating all of these with in acceptable parameters to allow the shot to be placed on a 12 foot square target...I conceed the shot could be made.
As to weekend warriors or X-Mas help abilities, I've seen good and bad just as in active duty troops. I know one reservist that looks like his massuse is into escrima he has so many scars from knife fights.
He swears one must accept cuts to score a kill in fine art of Benny Hannah hand to hand. Looking at the scars and knowing his record, I would be hesitant to go up against him with a MP round in a M79 at twenty two feet much less mano e mano with blades.....
Good troops all need range time IMHO at very least once a week if combat arms is not their primary MOS/AFSC/RATE . Eventually all GI's regardless if flying a desk or a ditch will be called upon possibly. Its criminal to not be proficent in ones tools of trade when life is on the line.
Stay Safe ,sorry for the rant ......again :o)
LOL!
Swweeet!
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