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Jet 'exploded into pieces' (Witnesses "Saw Explosion On One Side of Plane Before Crash")
BBC & CNN ^ | November 12, 2001 | BBC & CNN News Staffs

Posted on 11/12/2001 9:06:00 AM PST by t-shirt

Jet 'exploded into pieces'

Monday, 12 November, 2001

BBC Residents watched as firefighters battled the blaze

Eyewitnesses have spoken of their horror at seeing an Airbus A300 crash into a residential area of New York. Witnesses reported seeing a fire or explosion on one side of the aircraft as an engine fell off.

The plane then crashed into the Rockaway area of Queens.

I saw the flames and the smoke and I just thought, 'Oh no, not again'

Milena Owens, who lives yards from the crash site, said she was putting up Thanksgiving decorations on her window when she saw the plane fly far too low.

"I heard the explosion and I looked out the window and saw the flames and the smoke and I just thought, 'Oh no, not again'."

"The whole house shook," said Gus Cholakis, who lives 100 yards from the spot where some of the wreckage came to rest.

Resident's prayers

"I looked out the window, the first thing I saw was a huge fireball right outside."

Mr Cholakis, 38, said he had known 13 of those lost when the World Trade Center collapsed.

This neighbourhood has been through enough

Gus Cholakis

He admitted he was praying he had not lost more friends, adding: "This neighbourhood has been through enough."

John Maroney, 47, said the engine plummeted onto a Texaco petrol station near his house, and pieces of plane were only a few hundred yards away.

"That's probably what shook us up from our beds. The whole house jumped.

'Climbing position'

"We were all out there with fire extinguishers and hoses, but we couldn't do much."

Ethan Moses said he had seen the plane climbing in the sky after take-off.

It was travelling to the left slightly and then it just nose dived straight down

Ethan Moses , "It was in a climbing position and when I looked up I saw fire on the left side of the engine," he told CNN.

The wing appeared to separate from the rest of the plane, which veered to the left and then plunged into a nose dive, he said.

"It was travelling to the left slightly and then it just nose dived straight down," Mr Moses said, adding that fire spread on the ground, moving from house to house within seconds.

Phyllis Paul said she heard the plane's engine drone louder as it descended.

Falling metal

"It was very, very loud. Because of what happened on 11 September, it gave me a chill," she told CNN.

"It was getting louder and louder and I looked out the window. I saw a piece of metal falling from the sky."

The wings were going backwards and forwards like it was trying to balance itself
Phyllis Paul

Beverly Browne, from Brooklyn, said she saw white smoke coming from the plane before it crashed.

"The wings were going backwards and forwards like it was trying to balance itself. There was white smoke coming out of it.

"It just couldn't seem to stabilise itself. The next thing I knew it had crashed."

? David Solero was driving over a bridge by Rockaway when he saw fire on the left hand side of the plane.

He told CNN: "We looked up and saw the fire coming from the left hand side - it could have been an explosion."

Plane 'veered'

Other witnesses told reporters that the fire or explosion was on the right hand side of the plane.

Mr Solero added: "It could have been the engine was on fire.

I was scared it was going to veer towards us and hit us - we stopped dead in our tracks

David Solero, "It flew right over us, started to veer to the left then it veered back right.

"I was scared it was going to veer towards us and hit us - we stopped dead in our tracks.

"We saw something fly off the plane."

One woman fled her home, fearing she could be killed.

Concorde-like sound

She told CNN: "It was a huge, loud sound. It seemed so loud that I was like ducking almost.

"I just heard - it sounded like Concorde flying too low and then it just hit.

Eyewitness
-- "It blew up into a huge fireball and I jumped out the second floor of my house." "It hit the house behind me and I think it exploded into pieces."

"I went over the deck in the front of my house because the back was so hot."

"We were just in shock and we had to evacuate two streets away. It was so horrible." "There is a lot of terror here. Everybody is in shock."

"I was very, very lucky."

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Comment #61 Removed by Moderator

To: t-shirt
Then why do courts consider eyewitness accounts the most reliable and strongest evidence in criminal cases?

They don't. Eyewitness testimony is often used to corroborate physical evidence, but no prosecutor or defense attorney will base a case only upon it. Numerous experiments have been conducted on the reliability of eyewitnesses, and in every case different witnesses remembered seeing different things. The show, "Law and Order," played this up in an episode a few years ago when a group of witnesses to a murder could not agree on what the murderer looked like.

Anyone who has followed the "Repressed Memory" phenomenon over the past few years knows how easy it is to manufacture memories, which is another aspect of the non-corroborating eyewitness phenomenon. In other words, the human memory is a highly maleable thingy.

62 posted on 11/12/2001 10:22:51 AM PST by Junior
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To: t-shirt
The plane just crashed and you are already trying to come up with some paranoid conspiracy. Knock it off.

We have rules around here about language and such, we ought to have a rule for stupidity.

63 posted on 11/12/2001 10:24:34 AM PST by mlo
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All it takes is a microscopic crack in a fan blade. OTOH, I don't think that would cause the engine to fall off.
64 posted on 11/12/2001 10:33:21 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: mlo
That is a lie. Eyewitness accounts are much more reliable than heresay or circumstantial evidence or even evidence such as a fingerprint--which can be easily planted as were dozens of figureprints and other evidence in the recent LA police corruption investigations and court cases. Where eyewitnesses are sometimes unreliable is generally where someone has a motive to lie and is lying or where a individual doesn't remember details like the color of a car or clothing of a perp. No regular citizen from the neighborhood has any reason to lie. And someone doesn't just imagine they see a fireball or an explosion, it doesn't happen like that---It's not a minor detail. Seeing an explosion is not a minor detail.
65 posted on 11/12/2001 10:33:37 AM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
Which proves it was taken down by a bomb, missile or sometype of explosion.

It proves no such thing, as yet. Wait until more information is gathered.

66 posted on 11/12/2001 10:36:28 AM PST by Fury
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To: Aquinasfan
Ofcourse not.

But the government and many on FR want to find the most unlikely cause(I guess it give them a false since of security to delude themselves into below that terror didn't occur), while completely ignoring the most obvious cause which was observed by the actual eyewitnesses.

We should call them the see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, all is by accident, deluded crowd.

67 posted on 11/12/2001 10:39:54 AM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
I think this is pretty obviously the work of right wing extremists!!! Time to "round up the usual suspects".
68 posted on 11/12/2001 10:39:55 AM PST by The Duke
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To: t-shirt
No. You are incredibly wrong. I don't where you get such nonsense. Eyewitness testimony is more reliable than circumstantial evidence? than physical evidence? than fingerprints? Please, don't try to play detective, you have no idea.
69 posted on 11/12/2001 10:40:04 AM PST by mlo
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To: GreatOne
Actually, it turns out that the real conclusion is that Al Gore really would not have won.
70 posted on 11/12/2001 10:43:56 AM PST by ladyinred
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To: John H K
As I've pointed out in other posts, eyewitness reports are shockingly bad even from intelligent, sane people.

I tend to give more credibility to EARLY eye witness reports, those that are given (1)before any news of the event has been reported and (2)have not been skewed by other eyewitness reports. It's also valuable to know the vantage point of the eyewitness.

71 posted on 11/12/2001 10:44:11 AM PST by grania
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To: t-shirt
"...courts consider eyewitness accounts the most reliable and strongest evidence..."

That's pretty funny!

LMAO!

72 posted on 11/12/2001 10:44:34 AM PST by ez2muz
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To: The Duke
Yes it must have been an accident......unless it was some lone right-wing militia, prolife, gun-nut guy who "snuck-in" and sabatoged the plane and kill innocent people to overthrow the government! LOL!
73 posted on 11/12/2001 10:45:21 AM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
And now FOX is only interviewing people who didn't live in the neighborhood who are saying there was no explosion and no flames, but simply parts were falling off. The Last women that FOX just interviewed who is a government worker who was on 128th street when the plane went down, yet claims she is certain that there were no flames or an explosion--in complete contradiction of all the eyewitnesses who lived in the neighborhood and the street where it crashed.

Oh please. Stop this. Are you there? Do you see the reporter turning away people who claim they heard an explosion?

It seems there are people who WANT this to be an explosion, and still others who want this explosion to be caused by a bomb. And if the evidence does not support that, then anyone who postulates something to the contrary is a shill or government hugger.

Please have a more open mind than what your posts indicate.

74 posted on 11/12/2001 10:46:30 AM PST by Fury
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To: ez2muz
It's true.

Maybe by your way of thinking we shouldn't allow eyewitness testimony and rely on whatever the government, judge, police, etc says. Hell let's just get rid of the jury too!---they are just mere unreliable citizens too, huh?

Only government is all-knowing, all-wise and infallible! Let us give up all our rights to eyewitness evidence from fellow citizens and let us bow down all-mighty government have our masters decide our fate in all criminal matters!

We must not trust our lying eyes, they decieve us, ever-honest, all-mighty, all-knowing government does not!

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Thank God our founding father didn't think as you!

75 posted on 11/12/2001 10:54:08 AM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
This is one of two "replies" in my self-search section that are not to me! Does that happen often?
76 posted on 11/12/2001 10:54:41 AM PST by potlatch
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To: potlatch; Admin Moderator; johnrob
This is one of two "replies" in my self-search section that are not to me! Does that happen often?

I've noticed this today as well...

77 posted on 11/12/2001 10:57:27 AM PST by Fury
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To: Fury
If your screen name is a subset of someone else's screen name...

i.e. OWK and crowkiller for example....

I have seen this happen.

78 posted on 11/12/2001 11:00:20 AM PST by OWK
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To: Fury
"It seems there are people who WANT this to be an explosion"

--Fury

No, it is merely what most of the eyewitnesses(not just some random people on the internet) have said they saw--an explosion--and they were citizens in the neighborhood---they had absolutely no reason to lie or to want to believe it was an explosion.

It is you, Fury, who wants to believe it was an accident against the evidence.

It is you who refusing to open your mind and look at the evidence.

Why? Is it too scary for you to consider that this was very likely an act of terrorism?

79 posted on 11/12/2001 11:01:44 AM PST by t-shirt
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To: potlatch
It means it was a bump to multiple names.
80 posted on 11/12/2001 11:04:28 AM PST by t-shirt
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