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Jet 'exploded into pieces' (Witnesses "Saw Explosion On One Side of Plane Before Crash")
BBC & CNN ^ | November 12, 2001 | BBC & CNN News Staffs

Posted on 11/12/2001 9:06:00 AM PST by t-shirt

Jet 'exploded into pieces'

Monday, 12 November, 2001

BBC Residents watched as firefighters battled the blaze

Eyewitnesses have spoken of their horror at seeing an Airbus A300 crash into a residential area of New York. Witnesses reported seeing a fire or explosion on one side of the aircraft as an engine fell off.

The plane then crashed into the Rockaway area of Queens.

I saw the flames and the smoke and I just thought, 'Oh no, not again'

Milena Owens, who lives yards from the crash site, said she was putting up Thanksgiving decorations on her window when she saw the plane fly far too low.

"I heard the explosion and I looked out the window and saw the flames and the smoke and I just thought, 'Oh no, not again'."

"The whole house shook," said Gus Cholakis, who lives 100 yards from the spot where some of the wreckage came to rest.

Resident's prayers

"I looked out the window, the first thing I saw was a huge fireball right outside."

Mr Cholakis, 38, said he had known 13 of those lost when the World Trade Center collapsed.

This neighbourhood has been through enough

Gus Cholakis

He admitted he was praying he had not lost more friends, adding: "This neighbourhood has been through enough."

John Maroney, 47, said the engine plummeted onto a Texaco petrol station near his house, and pieces of plane were only a few hundred yards away.

"That's probably what shook us up from our beds. The whole house jumped.

'Climbing position'

"We were all out there with fire extinguishers and hoses, but we couldn't do much."

Ethan Moses said he had seen the plane climbing in the sky after take-off.

It was travelling to the left slightly and then it just nose dived straight down

Ethan Moses , "It was in a climbing position and when I looked up I saw fire on the left side of the engine," he told CNN.

The wing appeared to separate from the rest of the plane, which veered to the left and then plunged into a nose dive, he said.

"It was travelling to the left slightly and then it just nose dived straight down," Mr Moses said, adding that fire spread on the ground, moving from house to house within seconds.

Phyllis Paul said she heard the plane's engine drone louder as it descended.

Falling metal

"It was very, very loud. Because of what happened on 11 September, it gave me a chill," she told CNN.

"It was getting louder and louder and I looked out the window. I saw a piece of metal falling from the sky."

The wings were going backwards and forwards like it was trying to balance itself
Phyllis Paul

Beverly Browne, from Brooklyn, said she saw white smoke coming from the plane before it crashed.

"The wings were going backwards and forwards like it was trying to balance itself. There was white smoke coming out of it.

"It just couldn't seem to stabilise itself. The next thing I knew it had crashed."

? David Solero was driving over a bridge by Rockaway when he saw fire on the left hand side of the plane.

He told CNN: "We looked up and saw the fire coming from the left hand side - it could have been an explosion."

Plane 'veered'

Other witnesses told reporters that the fire or explosion was on the right hand side of the plane.

Mr Solero added: "It could have been the engine was on fire.

I was scared it was going to veer towards us and hit us - we stopped dead in our tracks

David Solero, "It flew right over us, started to veer to the left then it veered back right.

"I was scared it was going to veer towards us and hit us - we stopped dead in our tracks.

"We saw something fly off the plane."

One woman fled her home, fearing she could be killed.

Concorde-like sound

She told CNN: "It was a huge, loud sound. It seemed so loud that I was like ducking almost.

"I just heard - it sounded like Concorde flying too low and then it just hit.

Eyewitness
-- "It blew up into a huge fireball and I jumped out the second floor of my house." "It hit the house behind me and I think it exploded into pieces."

"I went over the deck in the front of my house because the back was so hot."

"We were just in shock and we had to evacuate two streets away. It was so horrible." "There is a lot of terror here. Everybody is in shock."

"I was very, very lucky."

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To: Duke1983
In fact, in many of those cases including WTC 2 responsibility was claimed (or admitted.) People around here can fill you in if you are interested.
221 posted on 11/13/2001 12:13:20 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: freefly
My post #172: "What's your rebuttal to this?"

Your reply: "Well, it's difficult to know where to start. I see multiple lies in the 1st couple paragraphs."

It appears you didn't even bother to click on the link in my posting. Try it now and you'll see that the lst couple paragraphs state as follows:

Most of those alleging a "missile shootdown" of the 747 misinterpreted the events observed by the witnesses because they assumed the Massive Fireball explosion was at 13,800 feet and that the fiery streak that immediately preceded and tracked to it was a missile.

But there is clear and compelling documented evidence that the Massive Fireball exploded far later in the sequence of events and far lower in the sky. The key to understanding what the witnesses actually saw is the altitude of the Massive Fireball explosion.

Now, click on the LINK, read it and extend the readers the courtesy of any meaningful rebuttal you might then consider appropriate.

224 posted on 11/13/2001 2:00:18 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
"...read it and extend the readers the courtesy of any meaningful rebuttal you might then consider appropriate."

I DID read it (in spite of the "jittering" that the page displays on my browser).
The parts that I was referring to were on the 4th and 5th paragraphs, not the 1st two.
MY BAD.

The "explaination" that they are using is based on showing how and why ALL witnesses were mistaken in what they saw.
I hate to tell you -and them- this, but the missle shootdown theory is based on FAR more than just witnesses.
I pointed out 3 of the major problems with the theory of an exploding center tank that they are trying to support.
Many investigators go into MUCH more detail.
And there is PLENTY of additional info that is at odds with the "official version" that this site doesn't begin to address.
The information that I have seen strongly indicates that flt 800 was shot down by a missle.
The BIG question is whether it was by a terrorist (a fully operational medium-sized crew launched missle was found intact and abandoned by a sheriffs dept in a town just "down the road" a couple weeks before the flt 800 incident), a "friendly" nation (that nobody wanted to admit did the deed), or an accidental shootdown (the missle being tested in that area was the type that would cause the damage and "black box" info that was seen, it had tracking problems, pictures were taken of what appears to be a target drone in the area at the time of the 800 going down AND they had JUST closed off the air corridor adjacent to Flt 800's flight path just minutes before 800 went down.)
If YOU want to look at some of the additional information, feel free to do a search on alltheweb.com, google, etc.
You will find PLENTY. Also, there are LOTS of threads here on FR that address Flt 800 and debate the known facts and theories.
(I'd provide links but I'm at work and my time is limited at the moment. If you need some, I will try to point you to a few later.)
As I said, the link does address issues concerning the witnesses, but it certainly doesn't rebute the other known facts of the incident.
In other words, they have a lot more explaining to do.
225 posted on 11/13/2001 6:14:02 PM PST by freefly
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To: Asmodeus
Well ole fibber-Magee KALLSTROM would say"those witnesses are all drunk"....
226 posted on 11/13/2001 6:17:55 PM PST by timestax
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To: laconas
Ask ole fibber Magee KALLSTROM about eyewitnesses..
227 posted on 11/13/2001 6:19:34 PM PST by timestax
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To: t-shirt
My reply from the "No Signs of Engine Failure" thread:

This report was the first I heard of the incident. My buddy and I speculated that it sounds like a baggage compartment explosion. A few moments later, all the media outlets began to report that it was a mechanical failure, no reason to suspect anything other than a mechanical. Did anyone else hear this very articulate lady on the air? I have been puzzled by the disappearance of her account.

Yes, I heard this report and agree with your observations. As chance would have it, I've been home from work on the day of several recent tragedies, beginning with Columbine, and I'm concluding that there is a "window of truth" in national media broadcasts beginning at the event itself and lasting until the network spin is given to all the reporters. This lady's original interview fell into that window, but was pulled when the "mechanical failure" spin was handed down from the head office. Sadly, this window appears to be shrinking with each new event.

Why?
1. Flight 800: The Liberal Media (hereafter-LM) does not want the Clinton cover up of flight 800 talked about, which it surely will be if this event is declared terrorism.
2. Clinton blind eye to terrorism: The LM feels that more terrorist attacks will further enrage thinking people against Clinton's playing with Monica while Americans in the Mid-east and Africa were being bombed by terrorists.
3. President Bush's Policies: More terrorism will further unite the public behind President Bush and his War on Terrorism, and make the LM's goal of hammering the present administration on campaign finance reform, the economy, and other issues they loved prior to 9/11.
4. The LM is on the side of the terrorists: Have I gone too far with this one?

228 posted on 11/13/2001 6:21:36 PM PST by jonathonandjennifer
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To: laconas
At least don't fly out of, into or over, or near N.Y. City.

And that 30-Knot boat you are talking about in the TWA-800 case--well fibber Magee KALSTROM had it morphed into a helicopter. Which he didn't know where it came from or went.

230 posted on 11/13/2001 9:41:31 PM PST by timestax
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To: usconservative
bttt
231 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:18 PM PST by timestax
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To: freefly
Try this:

Remedial Reading

232 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:28 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: jonathonandjennifer
The tinfoil hat conspircy theory skinheads will love this development.

Flight data recorder damaged.

233 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:45 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Your link is broken.
Try this:HTML Bootcamp


YOU may buy their explaination, but, as pointed out, it leaves much to be explained.
Since you choose to get snotty with those who don't agree with you, you can take a flying leap.
234 posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:52 PM PST by freefly
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To: anniegetyourgun
"However, there is a certain perverse fun in all this."

Hundreds of people died, this is not time for your making fun.

235 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:15 PM PST by Tarakotchi
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To: Tarakotchi
Which, of course, was not what I was talking about.
236 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:56 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: kahoutek
The wings were going backwards and forwards like it was trying to balance itself."

This was described to me once as a "Dutch roll", the effect of a trailing wing losing lift and subsequently giving the opposite wing lift in a repeating motion similar to a swimmer's backstroke.

I'm having trouble picturing this. If the fuselage is the z-axis, are the wings alternately lifting in the x-y plane (like the plane was rolling on its belly) or alternating back and forth in the x-z plane?

237 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:03 PM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: t-shirt
An obvious conclusion is that there were explosions and fire seen from both sides of the plane. Or that the fire was coming close enough to the middle of the plane that it could be described as being on either side. Whatever happened, it was pretty friggin catastrophic.
238 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:04 PM PST by aruanan
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To: t-shirt
"Witnesses said they saw an explosion on one side of the plane before the crash, but different accounts placed the explosion on different sides of the aircraft. Ethan Moses said he saw the aircraft burning from its left side, then the aircraft's left engine fell off."

Now that the black boxes have been recovered, let's ponder the eyewitness accounts like seeing "the aircraft burning...then the...engine fell off."

Just a thought...

239 posted on 11/16/2001 1:15:54 PM PST by ez2muz
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To: anniegetyourgun
I especially enjoy bringing out the "best" of wingnut theories.
--anniegetyourgun

Yes you certainly do enjoy bringing out the "best" of your idiotic wingnut theories anniegetyourgun-- the numerous actual witnesses say they saw an explosion and yet government wingnut lackeys like you try to bring out all kinds of goofy, outrageous theories to explain away what the actual witnesses actuallly saw.

Maybe next, you will try to think-up some theory to explain that the some right-wingers or militia members or even some Freepers committed the attacks the world trade center and that the Arabs involved in it were actually innocent???

240 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:54 PM PST by t-shirt
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