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Passenger Plane Crash in Queens NYC!
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Posted on 11/12/2001 5:30:38 AM PST by Attila_the_Hun

AA Passenger plane has crashed in Queens, live video on Fox News... Developing!


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aaflight587; flight587; harbour
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To: Dems_R_Losers
see 423 - probably nothing.
442 posted on 11/12/2001 6:48:45 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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OK, thinking this through, we've heard witnesses say they saw the engine on fire and some reports of the engine falling, but no reports of the engine and wing falling together. Yet if a bomb went off in the fuselage over the wing, wouldn't they both separate? But we also know that these planes are engineered in such a way that its basically impossible for an engine to separate from the wing. So would that point towards ground sabotage? Is it possible for a mole in the ground crew to loosen bolts, or place a tiny pack of explosives at the engine/wing connection, or some other form of sabotage?
443 posted on 11/12/2001 6:49:00 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Dems_R_Losers
I with you on the bomb theory: New, well-maintained plane. Two months after 9/11. Osama said more planes would fall. Airport security still a joke. New York airports are rife with Mob activity, illegal aliens, and corruption. Baggage bombs are not rocket science - the recipe is no doubt in that "terror manual." New York is Osama's favorite target. He likes layered multiple attacks.

Weight all that against the odds that a random catastorphic failure would occur in this time, in that location, on that kind of plane, and you would bet real money on it having been a bomb.

444 posted on 11/12/2001 6:49:03 AM PST by eno_
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To: Sungirl
The only thing that makes me wonder if this isn't a malicious act is the fact that this is VETERANS DAY.
No, yesterday was veterans day...
445 posted on 11/12/2001 6:49:03 AM PST by Moleman
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To: piasa
Emoire State Building evacuated as precaution.
446 posted on 11/12/2001 6:49:05 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: playball
WABC 770 radio is reporting Empire State Bldg being evacuated possibly as a precaution.
447 posted on 11/12/2001 6:49:07 AM PST by playball
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Penn Station is a huge target, probably the most disruptive single-target to NYC.

You are right on about Penn Station. I have felt it was a main target ever since 9/11. I come into Penn every day on NJ Transit trains and they do not check bags at all. This would be a major disruption to New York City's infrastructure. You have Amtrak coming in from all major cities, you have 5 major subway connections, New Jersey transit coming in from all points in NJ and you have the Long Island railroad - not to mention Madison Square Garden in the same building.

448 posted on 11/12/2001 6:49:08 AM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: Kathleen
I hope they are watching things *very* closely in D.C.
449 posted on 11/12/2001 6:49:09 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: areafiftyone
He is such a calming influence

I could of used him in the delivery room. LOL. Seriously though, the guy is a rock.

451 posted on 11/12/2001 6:49:46 AM PST by riri
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To: Dems_R_Losers
ABC reporting that sources at the FAA are saying the plane awaiting takeoff behind the plane that crashed...saw smoke coming out of engine during ascent.
452 posted on 11/12/2001 6:49:47 AM PST by June2
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To: Attila_the_Hun
From CBS Marketwatch:

Economic Impact

NEW YORK (CBS.MW) - The U.S. indexes took a drubbing Monday on news that an American Airlines jet headed for the Dominican Republic crashed in the New York borough of Queens.

The plane went down in the Far Rockaway area of Queens, close to JFK airport. All three of New York's airports -- JFK, La Guardia and Newark -- as well as the bridges and tunnels, have been shuttered.

The Dow Industrials opened lower and posted a triple-digit loss soon after. All of its 30-components dripped in red ink. The Nasdaq registered the biggest losses, falling as much as 2.5 percent.

All of the market's sectors declined sharply, with the exception of the defensive gold group. Not surprisingly, the airline sector spearheaded the decline, plunging 8.3 percent. Also losing significant traction were shares of oil service, chip, financial and biotech firms.

453 posted on 11/12/2001 6:49:50 AM PST by lds23
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To: finnman69
I believe the guy saw something. but what?

Vertical stabilizer in its entirety/ rudder / horizontal stabilizer / elevator / rear of fuselage ???

If the aircraft deprted controlled flight violently, the control surfaces could detach (especially if jarred loose by impact of debris from engine) Until we see the parts, I'll give this report a harrumph.

454 posted on 11/12/2001 6:50:26 AM PST by Blueflag
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To: RummyChick
It is funny to hear the talking heads report that the officials say there was no warning about terrorist activity so this must not be a terrorist event. Did they say the same thing after the FIRST plane crash into the WTC.

Bingo. They also said the same thing when Bob Stevens contracted Anthrax (an isolated incident).

455 posted on 11/12/2001 6:50:30 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: freeperfromnj
Fox just confirmed 246 passengers 9 crew
456 posted on 11/12/2001 6:50:46 AM PST by damnlimey
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To: Dems_R_Losers
Local Fox news reporting that the Memorial Bridge is now open.
457 posted on 11/12/2001 6:50:53 AM PST by Kathleen
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To: Benrand
how accurate are those triggers

I don't know. I imagine their accuracy runs the gamut. Heck, you can purchase a barometric altimeter in any auto supply store for a few bucks. Are they good enough to be used as triggers? I would imagine they are, but who knows?

You would think that the recently increased security would have prevented the planting of a bomb. That would seem to be especially true with respect to bombs in luggage, given the close scrutiny luggage is being subjected to.

But I wonder how tight the security is in the aircraft maintenance areas. Could a terrorist (e.g., perhaps an inside job by a mechanic who sympathizes with the radical-Muslim aims) have secretly affixed a bomb near the engine?

Still, the simplest and most explanation at this stage is garden-variety mechanical failure. We'll see.

458 posted on 11/12/2001 6:51:11 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: riri
"If people don´t fly his holiday season, I imagine it will cripple the industry. "

Yep. There was a thread here a while back where someone had quotes from one of Bin Laden's Leiutenants laying out the Plan of Attack on the West. Destruction of the banking system/economy and airlines were the top goals.

Retailers make as much as 1/2+ of their gross sales during the holiday shopping season. I think it is prudent to expect attacks aimed at curtailing travel and shopping up through Christmas.

459 posted on 11/12/2001 6:51:14 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
And I'm flying to San Juan on Saturday. That airport scares me more than the ones here!!!!!!!!!!!!

Short runway.

460 posted on 11/12/2001 6:51:22 AM PST by steveo
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