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French Claim US Campaign Is Failing
Newsday ^ | 11/4/01

Posted on 11/04/2001 8:38:50 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PARIS (Reuters) - Nearly half the French public believes the four-week-old U.S. military action in Afghanistan is failing, a poll released Sunday showed.

The survey by pollsters Ipsos for the Journal du Dimanche weekly showed 47 percent thought the campaign was failing, with just 17 percent confident of success.

The remainder of the 969-head sample, interviewed on November 2, gave no response or said the outlook was unclear. No definition for what constituted success or failure was given.


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To: gore_sux
""With no clear victories to point to yet,"

The French press is not much different than the press here or in the UK. There's a news blackout -- they're piXXed off about it, since they have nothing to report. So they make things up as they go along. They're trying to extort news. BaXXards.

121 posted on 11/04/2001 1:56:37 PM PST by alethia
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
I've been reviewing the Normandy invasion it apears to be failing. We better retreat and surrender France to Germany.
122 posted on 11/04/2001 2:12:01 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: Angelique
You might want to take a look at another thread where only a little over 50% of San Franciscans support the bombing of Afghanistan.

Ha! You won't convince me of French loyalty and bravery by comparing them to those in San Francisco. [Next you will be tell me how commited the French are to Operation Enduring Freedom... as compared to the professors at Berkely University.]

And yes, the French have been helping for a long time. As I recall, they helped Mohamar Kadaffi when evidence showed he bombed the disco in Germany. Reagan sent planes to retaliate and our "ally" France helped the US in their most predictable way. France refused to grant the US permission to fly over its airspace. Thus our planes were forced to go hours out of its way, refuel in the air and attack at a less opportune time.

We are all aware of their type of assistance.

123 posted on 11/04/2001 2:12:22 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Wonder Warthog
MAn oh man, I had fried turkey at my maw maw's 9 years ago. Ain't ever touched an oven cooked turkey since. Me and my dad even came up with our own injector sauce. And of course it included Tony Sachere's.
124 posted on 11/04/2001 2:15:48 PM PST by Bogey78O
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
I shall now do a search to see whether there really is a chapter in the French Army Manual "how to surrender graciously".

Also, search for "how to accept rescue without cursing your rescuer."

125 posted on 11/04/2001 2:16:25 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: A Navy Vet
I say lets initiate a two pronged secret plot:

1). Replace all of their cheese with Velveeta.
2). Write over all of their Jerry Lewis tapes with Jeff Foxworthy routines.

That'll teach 'em!

126 posted on 11/04/2001 2:19:00 PM PST by avg_freeper
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To: billva
apparently think it's ok to put our ground forces in harms way instead of continuing to soften the enemy just for the sake of being able to claim a quick victory.

One must be careful. If one softens up the enemy for too long they will eventually end up hardening them. Sooner or later ground forces will have to be put in harms way, and beleive it or not a one, two, three knock-out blow using all available resources is most probably the least expensive way in terms of saving lives to go.

Frankly I doubt that they should even be bombing at the moment. Why bother unless the goal is not to get rid of the taliban, or if to get rid of them then to do it by using the rebels as a surrogate force. Better to wait till all the forces are organized, and preped and go for a lightning strike. If the taliban want to hide in the hills let 'em. Like the muslims faced with the crusaders' castles, they decided to make them useless by merely going around them. Let the taliban stay in their caves and while the're there their native afghan enemies can set up house. The US troops can withdraw and leave the rebels in a possition of power and with russian backing pick the taliban off one by one.

127 posted on 11/04/2001 2:37:41 PM PST by Goblins
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
You have made some excellent points, especially regarding our involvement in WW I. Referencing the French in WWII, you are correct about the state of the nation being in turmoil. Further, there are so many other factors, but I find the most gauling of such gauche remarks is that our own FDR gave away the store to Russia. How strange that the USA folks here bash the French, but do not look at the real cowards, such as FDR and Clinton!
128 posted on 11/04/2001 2:56:48 PM PST by Angelique
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
You have made some excellent points, especially regarding our involvement in WW I. Referencing the French in WWII, you are correct about the state of the nation being in turmoil. Further, there are so many other factors, but I find the most gauling of such gauche remarks is that our own FDR gave away the store to Russia. How strange that the USA folks here bash the French, but do not look at the real cowards, such as FDR and Clinton!
129 posted on 11/04/2001 3:02:30 PM PST by Angelique
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To: mad_as_he$$
That was an intelligent contribution. I guess your moniker pretty much sums it up.
130 posted on 11/04/2001 3:05:12 PM PST by Angelique
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To: grammymoon; LaBelleDameSansMerci
Now grammymoon, it appears that you are describing what most travelers to New York have described (pre 9-11). Paris and New York are just cities. Why, I have been even treated rudely on the FR board. Does that mean that ALL FReepers are gauche?
131 posted on 11/04/2001 3:13:24 PM PST by Angelique
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To: mercy
PULLLLEASSSSE! What good is over-done food and the worlds best wine when the whole country is drowning in socialist filth? Only a frog would hold up a faggot fru fru 'culture' as more important than freedom. Have some more cheese.

The whole country? All citizens? And what does that make us after eight years of Bill Clinton? And what is happening with gun control, and federalizing airport security? Have you paid attention to Clinton's push to put us in the NWO?

Now about that homosexual culture, I suggest you look around your own backyard. If you believe that taste and culture makes one a fru fru, well, you're going to have to erace a lot of history. I don't think Velveeta will quite make it.

132 posted on 11/04/2001 3:22:41 PM PST by Angelique
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
And their opinion is important to us why?
133 posted on 11/04/2001 3:28:44 PM PST by The Kitten
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To: Goblins
I will still go with the opinion that we do not want our people in harms way if it can be avoided and not until we are ready to crush them. I'll go with the opinion of our folks who are paid to make these decisions and have faith they will make the right ones.
134 posted on 11/04/2001 3:37:12 PM PST by billva
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To: ScreamingFist
"Have you been to France?" Sure have. Haven't seen a battle yet that the french won't run away from either.

Well, Monsieur le main screaming, je reconnais une poste how vous adorez visiter a France! Peut etre, je suggère que vous recherchiez WW I?

135 posted on 11/04/2001 4:04:10 PM PST by Angelique
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To: ditto h
Wait...we're quoting a poll taken in FRANCE?? This is a country where the army has a section in their manual on How to drop your rifle.

It was a short manual, two chapter manual. You gave away the title to chapter one.

The second chapter was titled, "Turn Your Back and RUN."

136 posted on 11/04/2001 4:08:39 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: CWOJackson
Being a long lived society of arrogant arses is nothing to admire. Perhaps if the French got over themselves a bit they might be able to shake off their culture and way of living.

And please enlighten us about THEIR way of living.

137 posted on 11/04/2001 4:10:09 PM PST by Angelique
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To: Angelique
French must be the ugliest langauge in the world.
138 posted on 11/04/2001 4:10:46 PM PST by Goblins
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To: Goblins
French must be the ugliest langauge in the world.

Really? I guess that is why it is a universal language. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and behold! You must be deaf.

139 posted on 11/04/2001 4:14:34 PM PST by Angelique
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To: ScreamingFist
America seems to be the only country in the world where the average person doesn't speak at LEAST two languages.

Not true. Germans speak German and little else, but applaud any visitor who attempts to speak German. The French speak French and little else and show gross disdain for any visitor who tries to speak French but fails to speak it perfectly. Most Belgians are truly multilingual, speaking Flemish (Dutch), French, and to a lesser extent English, with equal felicity.

Then there are the Dutch. Dutch persons under the age of about 50 speak Dutch (of course), but also either French or German--often poorly. On the other hand, the younger Dutch especially do speak English rather well. That's what makes doing business in the Netherlands tolerable and visits relatively pleasurable for Americans. You don't have to speak Dutch to get along relatively well in the Netherlands. Just walk into a store and ask, "Does someone speak English?" and the stranger on your immediate right who was just doing a vigorous throat-dance with a wad of phlegm (i.e., speaking Dutch) will turn to you brightly and say with an almost Eastern American accent, "Yeah. I speak a little English. Whaddya want?"

I credit the Dutch English-speaking abilities to the fact that American culture including films, music, and television shows overwhlmed that tiny nation long ago. Being a people who "go along to get along" they easily and willingly embraced American culture including our language.

140 posted on 11/04/2001 4:37:15 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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