[OKCSubmariner]

Last week the DOJ refused to let former FBI agents Dan Vogel and Richard Ojeda testify in the Nichols state trial. Vogel and Ojeda had appeared on a CBS 60 II minutes program devoted to the OKC bombing earlier this year and had indicated the FBI had deliberately withheld key evidence in the Nichols and McVeigh trials.

Vogel had said the FBI would eventually destroy itself for violations of basic COnstituional rights he had seen while at the FBI. Ojeda had said that 302 interview reports he had written up on German National Andreas Strassmeyer involvement with McVeigh were never allowed to reach the defense.

The FBI & DOJ are guilty of criminal obstruction of justice and witness tampering in the OKC case especially becasue of FBI foreknowledge and complicity in the bombing(failed sting operation?) as well as the deliberate lack of prosecution of several known John DOes both Middle Eastern(Iraqi/Pakistani) and American (provacateurs,informants from Arizona & Kansas directly involved with McVeigh in OKC at the scene).

Ashcroft and Mueller are no better than Reno and Freeh when it comes to the corruption, the perjury and the obstruction of justice by FBI and DOJ officials. They will not gain GOd's favor in the domestic war on terrorism until they repent and start being honest and truly protective of Amercian citizens and also Christians who are citizens.

[OKCSubmariner]

BUMP

This story was buried (not adeqautely covered) in the FBI controlled newspaper for Oklahoma, the Daily (Disappointment) Oklahoman.

[Tymesup]

How can John Ashcroft expect us to believe anything he says when he deals out stuff like this? Thanks for keeping us informed.

[lelio]

"The ruling was that he (Linder) would not permit him (Agent Vogel) to testify because the Department of Justice had taken the position that it would not authorize his testimony," Bergman said Thursday.
I have two problems here: 1) how is Terry Nichol's supposed to defend himself when the FBI says that its agents can't testify? 2) can Vogel testify on his own behalf? Is he somehow sworn to never say anything? Can't he testify as a private individual?

[EarlyBird]

Ashcroft and Mueller are no better than Reno and Freeh when it comes to the corruption, the perjury and the obstruction of justice by FBI and DOJ officials. They will not gain GOd's favor in the domestic war on terrorism until they repent and start being honest and truly protective of Amercian citizens and also Christians who are citizens.

Submariner, thank you for your tireless efforts to keep us all informed about these developments. Unfortunately, it seems that a change in administration has done nothing to alter the position of the FBI on covering up these affidavits.

Do you, as the most well-informed Freeper on this subject, have any sensible theories that would explain WHY the Bush justice administration would want to continue this charade?

This and the recent attempts to seal the records of previous presidents is really starting to make me wonder JUST WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE! Anyone else getting a bit curious?

[chantal7]

"The Supreme Court said (in United States vs. Touhy) that a state court judge could not hold an employee of the Department of Justice in contempt for failing to comply with a subpoena if they had been ordered not to provide the information by their superior," Bergman said. "Tom Majors, who is an assistant U.S. attorney, testified at Monday's hearing that he had received a letter from the Department of Justice refusing to authorize such testimony."

This is just so wrong! The President, the DOJ, FBI..none of these agencies or any of our branches of government or their people are above the law and this ruling..The US vs. Touhy and the Nichols case show us that the government thinks that it and it's people are above the law.

WE, the people, need to take those arrogant, egomanics down a notch or two. This really makes me mad!

If they won't let the witnesses and the agents who know the truth testify in court, then they should let Nichols go. If they can't give him a fair trial with all the facts laid out on the table then they have no business putting him in jail because he hasn't had a fair trial therefore his prior trial is null and void and if they won't give him a fair trial then they should not be allowed to try him again.

This is as bad as the federal government infringing on people's right of double jeopardy. Once a person is tried in any American court of law, even if the government doesn't like the jury's ruling then they shouldn't be allowed to get a second chance by letting the feds have a go at it or visa versa. Especially, with the feds' history of lying, framing, falsifying evidence and forensic tests.

We need to get a grip on our government, like yesterday. It's totally out of control!

[Texbob]

The FBI and the Justice Dept. are the new Keystone Kops.

[roughrider]

Ojeda had said that 302 interview reports he had written up on German National Andreas Strassmeyer involvement with McVeigh were never allowed to reach the defense.

This is a very serious violation of the law. I think it was the CIA-linked female prosecutor of McVeigh who made the "Elvis" remark concerning McVeigh and Elohim City. I wonder what Special Agent (He REALLY deserves the title) Ojeda thought about that flip slogan mouthed by the chief federal prosecutor.

[mississippi red-neck]

Usally when someone or some government deparmnet tries to cover something up, it is because they SCREWED UP BIGTIME. I beleive that one of the main things they are trying to conceal, is the fact that they had prior warning, that the act was going to take place. I think that they might have not been too sure of their source, but the people on the inside of the FBI were nervous enough that that decided not to go to be in the building that day.

Then the nightmare came true and all those innocent civilans that were not privy to the same inside information died. Now they don't want to face the American public with the fact that they gambled with the lives of the public and lost, while they saved their own people. Can you imagine the outrage if this is true? Like I said, when people try to keep something hid, 90% of the time it is a case of CYA.

[rwfromkansas]

Can the Justice Department control a state trial? This is messed up and wrong if so.

[aruanan]

The attitude of the government is "Better to let one man die--he's going to die anyway--looking like one of only two involved than to have evidence surface that will a. call into question our handling of the affair and b. put us into a position of actually having to track down somebody who could lead us to a really, really big fish that we'd rather not deal with--ANthrax! ANthrax!", with that cough way of saying "Assh-le! Assh-le!"

[marajade]

Have you ever heard of the word "appeal"?

Terry Nichol's has the right to appeal the decision if he doesn't like it.

[mbb bill]

Government does not want exposed?

[zog]

--getting harder and harder to defend the current elected team, huh? Got to be surprising to some here, to others, we expected it, so it's not surprising. Tell ya what is surprising though, on a forum of the caliber free republic , how many apparently intelligent people all of a sudden develop "stevie wonder" eyesight when it comes to certain named individuals of the elected and appointed sort. 20-20 eagle vision if it's "the other guys, the liberal scumbags commie traitors", but their team? Not only does their team's manure have no odor, they have an apparent miraculous lack of the need of bodily waste elimination.

I agree, current DOJ is just as scum-baggy as rhinos, absolutely no differences, the fix is IN. Get on board the choo choo to the NWO, coming to a neighborhood near you, soon!

[Aurelius]

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[_Jim]

News Flash (for immediate release):

Freepers Waste Monumental Amounts of Time

This precious 'waste of time' has been accomplished by a dedicated group of slightly above average 'tin-foilers' trying to reconfigure the past by now dwelling on the Nichols case DESPITE a wealth of evidence proving his guilt BEYOND that required shadow of a doubt -

- evidence that, to date, has NEVER been examined for FEAR that they might discover the REAL truth (that TRUTH being that McVeigh and Nichols were responsible for the bombing of the Murrah building) ...

[honway]

Ashcroft and Mueller are no better than Reno and Freeh when it comes to the corruption, the perjury and the obstruction of justice by FBI and DOJ officials

Thanks for the informative post. I agree with your assessmment. One possible explanation for the Bush Administration's complicity in the cover-up is that a determination has been made that the public could not handle the truth.

If all that you know and have effectively reported concerning OKC was revealed to the public at large, confidence in our government by the masses would be irrevocably shaken. The result would negatively effect the existing power structure and our economy.

The goal of those in power appears to be long term political and economic stability at the price of truth, justice and individual liberty.

Personally, I agree with James Garrison:

"Let the truth be told, though the heavans fall."

[Jimbaugh]

It never changes, Lie, Lies and more Lies even with Ashcroft in charge.

[Free Vulcan]

btss

[Quix]

How can they get away with such horrendous illegalities? Hillfanny/Bimbo Shredder trained?