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Egyptian Clerics 'declare war on America'
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 11/03/01

Posted on 11/02/2001 11:58:31 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins

Egyptian clerics 'declare war on America' Professors, academics advocate joining 'jihad' against U.S.

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© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com

Muslim clerics and college professors in Egypt, long considered a moderate and even friendly Arab state by the U.S., are openly declaring war on America in light of the current military campaign in Afghanistan. Moussa Hal, a reporter for the unofficial website of Egypt's Al-Azhar University, has posted many anti-American statements made by the university's clerics and professors under the heading, "Islamic clerics in Egypt declare war on America."

As translated from Arabic by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI, here are some of the comments:

* Sheikh Ali Abu Al-Hassan, head of Al-Azhar's Religious Ruling Committee: "It is the sense of danger that unites the West. They have put together a coalition against Islam. They sense danger only from Islam. This feeling has united them against a single enemy, which is Islam. Why, therefore, should we ourselves not unite? ... We, Oh Nation of Islam, are all targeted by our enemy. ... Why should we not unite, therefore, around the cry, ‘There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah' and fight our enemy? ...

"Entering into an alliance with the Americans against Afghanistan constitutes Ridah [that is, turning away from belief in Islam, for which the punishment is death, with no possibility of clemency] ... The Afghan opposition [forces] must not put [their] hand in the hand of the Americans; they must stand with their countrymen [and] their co-religionists, otherwise Allah and his angels will curse them. ..."

On another occasion, Abu Al-Hassan told Hal: "There is no doubt that this is a case of a hostile state fighting us, and we must resist it. ... Resistance in this case is by all possible means, even by means of war. If the enemy sets foot on the lands of Islam, he must be fought. In this case, a man must set out [on a Jihad] without the permission of his father, a woman without the permission of her husband, a debtor without the permission of his lender, and a slave without the permission of his master. Islam urges us to set out on a Jihad for the sake of Allah until we accomplish one of two good things: martyrdom or victory. ... "When Islam is attacked, there are no borders. Jihad in this instance is an obligation for all Muslims. ... In this instance, the aggression is against Islam and therefore it is the obligation of all Muslims, not only the local residents, to protect this piece of land. ...

"The Afghans have the right to defend themselves, and we are obliged to help them and to defend them as best we can from the cruelty of the American attacks. Islam has commanded us to support our Muslim brothers under attack, and to fight the Jihad alongside them against the polytheists, with our souls and with our property ..."

* Dr. Abd Al-Azim Al-Mut'ani, Al-Azhar University lecturer: "This war is a criminal attack, genuinely similar to the first Crusader wars, which the West waged in the Middle Ages under the rallying cry of defending the Christian pilgrims, when their actual target was Islam and the Muslims. Now, the U.S. has declared a war on Afghanistan, under the rallying cry of fighting terrorism, when the actual goal is to harm Islam and to wipe it off the face of the earth. ... "The Islamic world must stand by the oppressed. ... The [Islamic] peoples must fulfill their obligation towards Islam and towards Muslims. The battle is a battle of the peoples and they are the ones who drive the rulers to do their duty. If the armies of Islam do not do their duty with regard to this invasion of Islam, they must be dispersed!!"

* Al-Mut'ani, on the differences between Jihad and terrorism: "Terrorism is a modern term. In Islam, the meaning of terrorism is intimidation; not all intimidation is forbidden by religious law. ... In the modern age, when [different] kinds of oppression and persecution emerged, some ethnic groups in almost every society were stripped of their rights. When they insisted on their rights, and [when] the despotic regimes rejected them – the oppressed and persecuted found no way to express themselves but by means of [various] kinds of rebellion. ...

"The most recent example of the so-called terrorism are the recent attacks against America. Whatever the interpretations may be, no one disagrees that America is the one who killed and was killed. It is America that killed itself with its distorted policy. It was completely successful in sowing hatred and loathing in the hearts of [people] of the entire world by means of its policy, a policy of double standard, primarily in all things regarding Islamic and Arab affairs. ... At this point, I would like to give two examples: the problem that occurred between East Timor and West Timor. The Muslim side was the stronger side. America went berserk and mobilized all the international institutions to defend the non-Muslims. Within 24 hours there were United Nations troops in addition to special forces from the U.S. at the scene. America did not stop until it had achieved its goal. ... In contrast, it allows Israel to slaughter Palestinians and to destroy the mosques. ...America did not lift a finger to save the Palestinian people. After all this, America still wants Allah to give it security. [Yet] it is the one that attacked itself because it angered the world.

"What America has done against Afghanistan is a crime, and one of the most loathsome kinds of international terrorism. [This is] interfering in others' domestic affairs, which is not accepted both by the monotheistic religions and by the laws [made by man]. ... We could have stood with America had it sought a precise definition of terrorism and had it established statutes of punishment for terrorism in the U.N. After that, every state could have sought the terrorists within its own jurisdiction. But that the U.S. should carry out this mission [by itself] -- no, no, a thousand times no! Even if the present regimes support America, these regimes are only passing clouds. They do not enjoy stability; stability is in the hands of the peoples. ...

"What America is doing now is world terror waged against the weak. Even if the Islamic peoples are not worthy of the support of Allah -- because they themselves do not support Him -- the forces of tyranny deserve to be defeated."

* Dr. Abd Al-Sabour Shahin: "The truth is that the way Islam uses the word ‘terrorism' is honorable, as Allah said: 'Make ready for them whatever you can of armed strength and of mounted pickets at the frontier, whereby you may daunt the enemy of Allah and your enemy.' The terrorism mentioned in this verse refers to intimidation or threat, not necessarily to damage. For this reason, accusing Islam or Muslims of terrorism is mistaken, because Muslims as a nation are the symbol of peace in the world and the Muslim nation has never attacked a neighboring nation. ...

"There is a huge difference between terrorism and Jihad. Jihad is a general term that includes Jihad by means of words, Jihad by means of leadership, and Jihad by means of war. War is only on behalf of the nation and in accordance with its decision, and not according to the decision of an individual. What is happening with the Palestinians is a Jihad that is legitimate according to religious law, aimed at defending the Islamic holy places. What the Afghani people is doing in response to the aggression is also a Jihad that is legitimate according to religious law. ..."

* Dr. Abd Al-Hay Al-Farmawi, a lecturer: "The American attacks on Afghanistan are terrorism, oppression, repression [and] barbarism, and can even be called bullying. The American missiles were directed at innocents among the defenseless Afghani people. America is doing this without presenting any proof of Osama bin Laden's guilt. This proves that this war, as Bush said, is a crusader war against Islam and Muslims. We must awaken before the U.S. forces reach us."

* Dr. Yahyah Isma'il, official spokesman of the Al-Azhar clerics: "This war is a war against Muslims and Islam. Everyone must offer help to the mujahideen brothers in Afghanistan. They should not be abandoned in the tragedy to which they are subject."

* Sheikh Youssef Al-Badri called on "Muslims to declare a Jihad against the Americans. We all must prepare for Jihad, because the strikes will reach even us, in many Islamic countries. What America and the West have done is an international crime, ... a great crime against humanity. This is a war against Islam, as the leaders of the West and the leaders of the U.S. have said. We have no choice but to declare our own position: Are we with Islam or are we with Bush? The answer is what will determine the fate of the Islamic nation in the new millennium."

Editor's note: The Washington, D.C.-based Middle East Media Research Institute is an independent, non-profit organization that translates and analyzes the media of the Middle East.


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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
No offense gents, but this Cavalry charachter hasn't posted anything in over an hour (and 32 posts). Why are folks here still talking about him and addressing posts to him? Seems like a lot of wasted time and energy on a hit and run job.
41 posted on 11/03/2001 1:22:16 AM PST by cold_vicious_logic
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To: cold_vicious_logic
Finger exercise!
42 posted on 11/03/2001 1:24:01 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
"Keep up the good work!"

Brother, what he does not realize is that you and I,
along with so many others have seen his anti-American kind during the Viet Nam era.
Their lies are always the same, talk about history repeating itself.
43 posted on 11/03/2001 1:24:11 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: cold_vicious_logic
"Why are folks here still talking about him and addressing posts to him?"

I do it to give an example to like minded individuals
AND to show our active duty personnel reading these threads
that we on the home front are behind them 100%
And to show the victims and their families of Sept 11 that I will never forget.
44 posted on 11/03/2001 1:27:30 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
"What America is doing now is world terror waged against the weak.

Well sh*t, that's what happens to dumbasses who wage terror against the strong!

My oh-so-witty quips just seem oh-so-much-whittier after after shot no. 6.:-)

45 posted on 11/03/2001 1:29:33 AM PST by cold_vicious_logic
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Ya, don't get me started... I had a guy at a bar shake my hand after he saw my VA card in my wallet. He said "thanks for serving". It almost lost it. I think I thanked him more than he thanked me. Ya know what I mean? I almost started cryin.
46 posted on 11/03/2001 1:29:44 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
Rock on, then.
47 posted on 11/03/2001 1:30:56 AM PST by cold_vicious_logic
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To: wirestripper
It=I
48 posted on 11/03/2001 1:32:15 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cavalry
Oh great, a Berkeley-grad Republican?! Hahahahaha!
49 posted on 11/03/2001 1:36:43 AM PST by RightlySo
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To: Cavalry
We are losing friends by the millions with these rash actions in the Afghanistan.

You say it like it's a bad thing....

50 posted on 11/03/2001 2:22:52 AM PST by Texaggie79
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To: Cavalry
Oh, pshaaaawww. We don't HAVE any friends over there. Just alliances of convenience, and those change with the wind. But we have every right to defend ourselves against terror without defending our actions to every Tom, Dick and Mohammed who complains (yet not-so-secretly cheers the terrorists and calls for more of the same). You can't negotiate with those who are irrational, immoral, and ignorant.
52 posted on 11/03/2001 2:40:16 AM PST by shezza
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To: cold_vicious_logic
How can anyone believe that allah; the Living God; or any other god would want us to go kill people for being "infidels"? Couldn't a god do that much more efficiently on his own?

Simple. God is love, so believers have to do His hating for Him.

53 posted on 11/03/2001 2:41:35 AM PST by Grut
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
the Muslim nation has never attacked a neighboring nation

What planet does this guy come from? How about Iraq attacking Iran, and Iraq attacking Kuwait and Saudi Arabia in the last 20 years. Earlier we have Muslim conquests of Egypt (640 A.D.), conquest of Turkey and fall of Constantinople (1453 A.D.), conquest of Spain and invasion of France, invasions of the Balkans, etc. etc. Muslims have attacked neighboring nations for hundreds of years.

54 posted on 11/03/2001 2:41:42 AM PST by Number_Cruncher
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To: smarticus
I advocate space based death ray lazers. We already have cameras in space that can pick out individuals from 23,000 feet, now all we need is to be able to "fry" them from space.

Revelation 13
1. And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
2. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.
3. One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.
4. Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"
5. The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months.
6. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.
7. He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
8. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
9. He who has an ear, let him hear.
10. If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.
11. Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.
12. He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
13. And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.


smarticus, you're not really St. John, returned, are you?
Now maybe THAT would convince them that Allah is not pleased with their nonsense.
55 posted on 11/03/2001 2:54:33 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Cavalry
Great...the only way we are going to stop terrorism is to because an imperialist state that pretty much takes over the muslim world. We are losing friends by the millions with these rash actions in the Afghanistan.

We are not losing friends, their actions and words are those of an enemy. Stating that we are taking a rash action is absurd. War is rash and abrupt and tends to bring out the true intent of nations and people.

The fact that Clerics are declaring war exposes the falsehood that Islam is a peaceful religion.

In contrast, I don't remember the Pope or any other significant Christian leaders declaring a war on Muslims because they killed 5000 civilians in the USA.

No action taken by the USA would mean the loss of life of thousands in the Christian community. Just listen to their words "a holy war". They are the culture creating the environment for war in the world. Maybe you are ready to convert to a different lifestyle or religion, or simply die. These people have come to kill you in your own home, are you going to run away and hide?

56 posted on 11/03/2001 2:56:30 AM PST by Clean_Sweep
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To: Grut
Simple. God is love, so believers have to do His hating for Him.

Oh...... I don't know about that.........


Psalms 5
5. The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong.
Jeremiah 44
1. This word came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews living in Lower Egypt--in Migdol, Tahpanhes and Memphis --and in Upper Egypt :
2. "This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: You saw the great disaster I brought on Jerusalem and on all the towns of Judah. Today they lie deserted and in ruins
3. because of the evil they have done. They provoked me to anger by burning incense and by worshiping other gods that neither they nor you nor your fathers ever knew.
4. Again and again I sent my servants the prophets, who said, `Do not do this detestable thing that I hate!'
Amos 5
16. Therefore this is what the Lord, the LORD God Almighty, says: "There will be wailing in all the streets and cries of anguish in every public square. The farmers will be summoned to weep and the mourners to wail.
17. There will be wailing in all the vineyards, for I will pass through your midst," says the LORD.
18. Woe to you who long for the day of the LORD! Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light.
19. It will be as though a man fled from a lion only to meet a bear, as though he entered his house and rested his hand on the wall only to have a snake bite him.
20. Will not the day of the LORD be darkness, not light-- pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?
21. "I hate, I despise your religious feasts; I cannot stand your assemblies.
Zechariah 8
17. do not plot evil against your neighbor, and do not love to swear falsely. I hate all this," declares the LORD.
Malachi 2
16. "I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith.
Revelation 2
5. Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.
6. But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
57 posted on 11/03/2001 3:13:09 AM PST by Elsie
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
By claiming that our war on terrorism is a war against Muslims, these "Clerics" are in effect saying that terrorism and Islam are the same.
How foolish.
They are doing more to discredit and defame Islam around the world than our war ever could.
58 posted on 11/03/2001 3:18:47 AM PST by Jorge
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To: cold_vicious_logic
Couldn't a god do that much more efficiently on his own?

I think you may be right............


2 Kings 19

31. For out of Jerusalem will come a remnant, and out of Mount Zion a band of survivors. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.
32. "Therefore this is what the LORD says concerning the king of Assyria: "He will not enter this city or shoot an arrow here. He will not come before it with shield or build a siege ramp against it.
33. By the way that he came he will return; he will not enter this city, declares the LORD.
34. I will defend this city and save it, for my sake and for the sake of David my servant.
"
35. That night the angel of the LORD went out and put to death a hundred and eighty-five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. When the people got up the next morning--there were all the dead bodies!
Oh to have the God of David be the God of America!
60 posted on 11/03/2001 3:32:10 AM PST by Elsie
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