Posted on 11/01/2001 7:44:34 AM PST by Slippery Fish
Since Bin Laden is so fond of hiding in caves like a bug, lets suffocate him like one. Instead of wanting to smoke him out of the mountains the USA should just plug him up. Send some bulldozers to Afghanistan and fill up every hole with dirt and then set the entire structure on fire. We could even fill up the holes with oil first to make sure that it burns deep from the inside. The bombs we are dropping aren't even affecting him. Is it time to fight dirty Mr. Bush???
Nice try Omar! President Bush and our military is doing just fine!
So the Ruskies won the war by doing this?
The Ruskies made the mistake of getting bogged down in a land war against the Afghanis!
The Russians did not have several Navy Carriers able to bomb at will. The Russians did not have smart bombs! The Russians did not have B52's capable of carpet bombing. The Russians did have Fuel Air Bombs. The Russians did not have A10's.
The Russians invaded and lost their war.
Read my profile and post yours if you want any credibility!
Our enemies here and abroad would love to see us bogged down in a land war over there, so we could replicate what happened to the Russians.
Do you have the slightest idea of the cost and danger of getting caterpillars over in those mountains and then tankers of oil to do what you have suggested?
Our enemies here and there would love to see us try something like that and give up the carpet bombs and other air ordinance that is burning and killing the goat humpers on a massive scale since a couple of days ago!
Post your profile so that we may know who you are!
1. Run a pipe in 100 yards or so: cover the pipe with a metal crush shield with integral incendiary devices every 5-10 feet
2. HE entrace closed. Call in Helicopter.
3. Attach LNG or Propane tank to pipe. Open valve.
4. Fire Incindiary charges. Load up troops and sling empty tank: return to base.
Basically, turning a cave into a fuel-air bomb. What's not zapped by the shock gets asphyxiated from the O2 uptake of the blast. Roll credits, cut to commercial
I don't know about you, I would not want be riding a copter carrying a propane tank. Nor would I want to be on the ground with a tank. The Taliban's old anti tank rocket launchers would have a field day with incoming tanks and any tanks on the ground!
When you have B52's, you don't have haul these tanks in. You just air mail them in! Use the candy gram technique used on Mongo in Blazing Saddles!
It seems that when working on various and sundry aircraft, sometimes they would have to de-fuel them, and that fuel was considered contaminated. It was stored in surplus 6,000 gal tankers. These tankers were getting old, and starting to leak. The only use for this fuel was to the Crash and Rescue crews ,who would get a couple hundred gallons once and a while for training, so the base command was looking for a way to get rid of this stuff
My C-130 guy came up with an idea to drop one of the surplus tankers out of a C-130 over the tunnel area at about 10,000 ft, once it impacted the fuel would atomize and being heavier that air would seep into the tunnels. His plan was to have another C-130 arrive in trail and drop a parachute flare. It was surmised that when the flare reached the point where the fuel air ratio was ideal it would ignite, thus using up all the air in the area as well as making a great deal of crispy critters.
I always wondered if this guys, idea was the initial, blueprint for the FAE we have all grown to know and love FYI
As to a ground war . . Well, I don't want one either. However, dropping in on the bad guys in caves, "crispyfying" them, then leaving is A-OK with me. I'm sure they have 6 months provisions in those holes, and if we do nothing about the terrorists in half a year they will come out and we will be right back where we started.
I have nothing against them eating all their provisions, but I don't want them eating anything but each other after their stocks run out. Seal them, burn them, I don't really care, either way we get what we want.
pretty much, yeah, we do. On another subject what the hell is this obsession over FAE bombs? sweet mother of god, if I hear one more Freepin' post saying "I know! Gosh Golly! Let's drop some of them there Fyoo-ul Ayer Boms on em- thems jus' like a Nookalar bomb, near''bouts!"
yes, they are very nice. Yes, they make a nice big booming sound. But I think we've heard just about all we need to regarding them.
Besides if we were really serious we'd get some mortar maggots in there; lil' bit of high angle death and destruction put them Talli-whackers right, um-hmm.... but none of that nancy-boy 60 mike-mike stuff, no sir- or any of that silly, knees bent running about 81 folderol- no, we should use mortars made the way god intended them to be made, with a mighty 107 millimetre bore, and a proud, 156 lb tube, and a brawny, yet curiously seductive base plate- smooth on top, yet savagely ridged beneath, that it might bite deep into the living earth itself to anchor the gun, and hold it firm in it's mission of death and destruction.
who switched my meds?
In Vietnam they had similar caves (with several exits) dug into flat or only slightly rolling terrain, and we still often had to crawl into the caves to get the Viet Cong.
Afghanistan presents some of the same challenges as Vietnam, except that instead of hiding in the jungle your enemy hides in caves or niches in the rocks. In both cases, he is used to living and fighting with not much more than he can carry on his back, and will fade away when confronted with superior firepower only to re-emerge for a surprise attack when the odds look better.
We had most of the advanced ground-fighting equipment in Vietnam, including infra red sensors, laser gun sights, fuel-air bombs, carpet bombing, etc. and were still fighting after years.
A ground war is not a good idea. If all of the current bombing, a Northern Alliance assault, plus attacks by various special forces groups works, and we take Kabul, Kandahar, Herat and all the other cities, and have regular armored patrols on the highways -- we will be at the same point as the Russians, and it didn't turn out well for them because the hard-core Afghan fighters will play hide and seek for years and not be concerned about dying if they can pop out of some rocks and kill a few "infidels".
I hope we do get all of the terrorists and make them pay, but it is not going to be fast and easy. Afghanistan is no Iraq, which was the perfect place to fight a war with high-tech weapons and air power.
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