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Lie Detector Tests Bring Suspensions
AP ^ | 10/27/2001 | JAY HUGHES

Posted on 10/27/2001 11:50:02 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

Lie Detector Tests Bring Suspensions

DUNLAP, Ill. (AP) -

As is the case in many small towns, the highway leading into Dunlap is decorated with a few wooden signs supporting the high school and its athletic teams.

But even with the Dunlap Eagles in the football playoffs for the first time since 1994, games aren't the primary talk of the town. It's all about polygraphs - no lie.

Some players have been suspended for attending a party at which alcohol was served. In an unusual twist, the school district used lie detector tests to prove some of them were there.

``You would think they have better things to do,'' Mark Wade, a 1979 Dunlap High graduate, said of school officials.

Schools Superintendent Bill Collier said that's not the issue. All the suspected athletes were reported by police as attending the party Oct. 6, although many claimed they left as soon as they realized alcohol was present.

Collier, who admits getting in trouble for similar reasons when he was a teen-ager, noted that three athletes accused of attending the party were cleared - impossible without the polygraph, which had never been used to enforce the school's conduct code.

``For these three kids, this worked exactly the way it is supposed to work,'' he said. ``It may look bad, it may sound bad, but it's the fairest way.''

Like most Illinois public schools, Dunlap has a policy regarding alcohol, tobacco and drug use that must be signed by anyone participating in extracurricular activities. Violations are punishable by suspension from competition.

Initially, 15 athletes were accused of attending the party. Three admitted guilt; two more were suspended after refusing to take the polygraph. Seven of the 10 who took the test failed and were barred from competition.

Peoria County deputies raided the party and the names of students who were present, as well as some who had left their cars there, were forwarded to the school in a police report. Many of the accused proclaimed innocence; their parents hired an attorney.

``Everybody likes our policy until their child is caught,'' Collier said.

Attorney Matt Jones, who represents the accused students and their parents, helped supervise the polygraph sessions. Collier described the scene as sad, with some parents shedding tears as they realized their children had lied to them as well as the school.

Jones said a lawsuit challenging the suspensions is unlikely, but parents might try to pressure the school board into changing the policy. He said the 10 suspended football players were concerned about more than the outcome of a game,

``Part of the disappointment is the public scrutiny and having their parents disappointed in them,'' he said. ``With most of them, it's not about their participation but because they let down their team.''

Dunlap, which has about 1,000 residents, is a farming village that's transforming into a bedroom community for Peoria, about 12 miles to the south. The situation has become a topic of conversation, although many residents seem reluctant to talk about it with strangers.

On a recent afternoon at Christie's Place, the town's tavern, Wade said the drinking policy existed when he was in high school and that athletes and others were sometimes questioned about their weekend activities. He said their answers were accepted - sometimes the answers were lies - but nobody would have given teen-agers a polygraph exam.

``That wouldn't have washed. The parents wouldn't have stood for it,'' said Wade, who admits violating the policy in his day.

He said he knows society views teen-age drinking harsher than it did when he was at Dunlap, but the punished students don't deserve to miss the rest of the season. Even if they violated the rules, he said, they were not at a school-related event and were just acting like teen-agers.

Still, Collier said he decided to use the polygraph because he felt getting the truth was important.

``I do know kids and adults can't continue to tell lies,'' he said. ``Parents need to do more communicating with their kids on real life issues and find out what they're doing on weekends.''


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1 posted on 10/27/2001 11:50:02 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Why is the School involved? Where are the parents?
2 posted on 10/28/2001 12:12:16 AM PDT by subAtomic
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To: TLBSHOW
Well it's only kids. Who cares about their civil rights. It's not like they vote or anything.
3 posted on 10/28/2001 12:13:34 AM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: TLBSHOW
"Some players have been suspended for attending a party at which alcohol was served. In an unusual twist, the school district used lie detector tests to prove some of them were there.

"Peoria County deputies raided the party and the names of students who were present, as well as some who had left their cars there..."

How very sad...a non-school function, out of school hours, and kids suspended for having been there, or having had the misfortune of parking their car nearby, regardless of whether or not they had been drinking themselves.

Couldn't the local police have simply charged those present who were drinking (not just everyone who was there) with underage consumption? The school could then decide what action, if any, they would take after a conviction in a court of law.

Guilt by association and guilty until proven innocent...in other words, Napoleonic law...and we all know what a wonderful guy Napoleon was...

BF

4 posted on 10/28/2001 12:13:43 AM PDT by badfreeper
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To: Central Scrutiniser
And the shameful thing is the way the Dems teach them they'll end up hating conservatives and blaming us for these Stalinist actions.
7 posted on 10/28/2001 12:23:55 AM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: TLBSHOW
Still, Collier said he decided to use the polygraph because he felt getting the truth was important.

What a socialist think moron. "So Commandant Collier, why eez it not exceptable in your countries courts as evadencia of ze truth?"

Oughta make this Nazi run naked through a mile of cornfields with rabid dogs chasing him.

8 posted on 10/28/2001 12:26:16 AM PDT by jwh_Denver
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I know. I graduated 3 years ago and I have no hope for those coming after me.
10 posted on 10/28/2001 12:31:09 AM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: Central Scrutiniser
To all evidence, polygraphs are snake oil. A skilled operator might wring a confession out of an ignorant examinee now and then, but a proof? Ridiculous.
11 posted on 10/28/2001 12:33:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I know. I get the same feeling when people talk about invasion of privacy issues. Ugh...I just want to say: "It's called the Bill of Rights, fool!!!!"
13 posted on 10/28/2001 12:42:30 AM PDT by Bogey78O
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To: TLBSHOW
Initially, 15 athletes were accused of attending the party. Three admitted guilt; two more were suspended after refusing to take the polygraph. Seven of the 10 who took the test failed and were barred from competition.

.... whatever happened to The Fifth?

14 posted on 10/28/2001 12:55:20 AM PDT by xm177e2
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whatever happened to The Fifth?

Aparently they drank it, that is what got them into this mess.

15 posted on 10/28/2001 1:13:38 AM PDT by Uni-Poster
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To: jwh_Denver
jwh_Denver: What a socialist think moron. "So Commandant Collier, why eez it not exceptable in your countries courts as evadencia of ze truth?" Oughta make this Nazi run naked through a mile of cornfields with rabid dogs chasing him.
You might want to look at the violations of our rights that were just requested by President Bush and that Congress passed before you call what this superintendent did "socialist think." Especially the parts of the new law that congressmen didn't have time to read before voting for it and which have no sunset provision, so are permanent law. Try secret searches of your home while you are not there, without a warrant. Gun owners might be interested in that one.
--Raoul
16 posted on 10/28/2001 1:03:43 AM PST by RDangerfield
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To: Bogey78O
"I know. I graduated 3 years ago and I have no hope for those coming after me."

High school or college?

17 posted on 10/28/2001 1:58:54 AM PST by VMI70
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To: TLBSHOW
"...for attending a party at which alcohol was served."

The critical question goes unanswered: Was the party hosted or given a venue by parents/adults? The answer to that should be the determining factor on the disciplinary actions taken.

FReegards,

18 posted on 10/28/2001 2:06:38 AM PST by VMI70
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To: VMI70
Rubber hoses and water torture should have been used to extract confessions out of these @&*(%^&) ruffians.
19 posted on 10/28/2001 2:15:43 AM PST by meenie
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To: Central Scrutiniser
The Polygraph Protection Act is one of the laws I have to train my employees in, companies can only use pre employment polygraphs for extremely sensitive jobs such as high level security or for jobs involving handling of very large amounts of money.

It's unfortunate that the Employee Polygraph Protection Act didn't go all the way in banning pseudoscientific lie detector "testing" from the American workplace. It gave government a blanket exemption, and as you noted, exempted certain private jobs. See AntiPolygraph.org regarding efforts to close the loopholes, and for information on how those subject to lie detector "testing" can protect themselves from abuse.


20 posted on 10/28/2001 2:35:39 AM PST by George Maschke
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