Posted on 10/24/2001 9:44:01 AM PDT by bassmaner
After the horrifying sneak attack of 9/11 and the continuing anthrax scares, I am certain that our government is doing the right thing in going after OBL and his Taliban henchmen. Their words and their deeds are just crying for us to wipe them off the face of the earth, consign them to history's dustbin, or whatever similar fate we can conjure up. I am 99.9999% certain that GWB is handling the job well and doing the right thing for our nation. I hope he continues and carries the message to all the state sponsors of terrorism as well. But there are some things that are troubling me.
Before anyone starts flaming, this is not going to be a "blame America" screed. Au contraire. Through our tradition of liberty, we've always helped raise the level of civilization in places where we've injected our influence. The doubts that I have about the current war policy stem from this question: Considering the abuses and the lies heaped on American citizens in recent years by their federal government (IRS abuses, Waco, etc.), and the federal power grabs that were attempted long before 9/11 (Know Your Customer, Carnivore, and others), can we really, truly believe BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT that the tin-foil hat crowd is totally off base with their wacko conspiracy theories?
I've heard such types talk about the "Masonic brotherhood" which seeks to gain world domination by imposing the "new world order". I've read theories about how the CFR, Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderbergers are behind a vast scheme to impose the one-world socialist vision of the Illuminati at the expense of traditional American freedoms (What better way to eliminate liberty than to use the exigency of war?). In the past I've always taken such nonsense with a grain of salt. And my current reaction is "Why would any such conspiracy risk killing thousands of innocent people just to advance its agenda? Couldn't it be done in a more subtle way?"
But still, I'm troubled. How, for instance, were we able to pin the 9/11 attacks on bin Laden so quickly while claiming that his al-Qaeda organization is based on compartmentalized "cells" without a direct chain-of-command? Why is the evidence we have on him and al-Qaeda under seal? Why does the title of the new cabinet level organization (Office of Homeland Security) seem troubling? Am I wrong to be asking these questions? Could the tin-foil hat wackos be on to something? Is everything we're hearing from the media and the government true? Don't get me wrong: I support the government's actions in its fullfillment of its Constitutional duty to "provide for the common defense". I just hope I'm not being lied to - I don't want this to be a country that's has given up its birthright of liberty to advance some evil, conspiratorial agenda. That's not the America I want to live in.
Sure, a handful of republican congressmen(patriots) tried to get action and websites like FR gave documentation to assertions but none of this was considered normal. It was considered eccentric to say the least.
Ask Jim how even mentioning the Mena operations put one in the nut case catagory on this site let alone the rest of the world.
81 posted on 10/24/01 7:05 PM Pacific by martian_22
You want to know, you ask him. I can tell you this, this is not the time for Bush-bashing, if that is what you have in mind re Mena. If you want to talk about how Tyson's pilot took an envelope of bucks to Clinton each week, have at it; but then, what will you do about it?
We have a new administration now, and even if we can't go back and jail the stinking Clintons, it could be time for a new beginning--but just now, we have military overseas, and it is time to support them by being a united country behind our Govt. Somehow, I fail to understand how dragging out these conspiracy theories will change things; me, and most other FR posters and readers.
In Judo, you use your opponent's strength and leverage against him, to take him off-balance. The only way to force the US into the NWO is to have the US do it to ourselves. What a better technique for them than for us to be waving the flag as we see the boxcars lining up. It was this Judo technique that Hitler was able to use to leverage the German people right into his hands.
You really might want to think about taking a little vacation, man.
Don't get upset. I'm not questioning your beliefs, politics or patriotism so don't do it to me to make a point about how normal the Clinton/China escapades were/are received. We(FR) are not considered normal by the mainstream no matter what the topic....and that's a fact!
This is quite hateful and totally uncalled for.
You haven't been paying close attention. They HAD the perfect setting. The boxcars were lined up and we were all milling around waiting for a chance to step on up. Gun control was picking up speed; public education had dumbed down our kids to just above imbeciles; our homes were mortgaged to the hilt; credit card debt was astronomical; socialized medicine was on the horizon; conspiracy theory had been relegated to comic books; Presidents were bumped off right before our eyes and still we bought their lies; elections were rigged; the White House was sold off in a garage sale; we allowed our infants to be vaccinated against sexually-transmitted diseases; whole continents were being wiped off the face of the Earth; churches ordained lesbians ministers; car-makers and banks and phone companies created enormous monopolies; oil companies made more profits than flow-charts could contain; men were emasculated; women were butched; children were sexualized; and the stock market made unbelievable profits for those "in the know."
The list goes on endlessly. The New World Order was happening fast and sure, and the Powers That Be were elated at their victories. And most people never dreamed there was anything amiss.
Then came September 11. And NOTHING is the same again, for them or for us. If you can't see that, you are blind. And God does not help those who refuse to see.
Where do you get these junk statistics from ; your imagination and / or the DU site ?
Where do you get these junk statistics from ; your imagination and / or the DU site ?
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