Islam's God: The Origin of Allah the Moon God

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[spycatcher]

Pre-Islamic Arabia's religion was one of superstition. Belief in jinns (genies), curse casting, magic stones, totems was the norm - and it was against this background that Allah arose. Although the Quran is claimed to be a heavenly writing with no earthly source, evidence of these very sorts of cultural influence is found in such places as Suras 55, 72, 113 and 114.

Animism, the belief that spirits inhabit rocks, trees and other elements was also very commonplace. Some of these stones were venerated and used as a focal point for the worship of a particular tribal god. No surprise, Muhammad's family had just such a stone for their own tribe - a black stone, in fact, that they kept at the Kabah (where the tribal idols were set up). The pagan rites of bowing toward Mecca, making a pilgrimage to the Kabah, running around it seven times, kissing it, then running to the river to throw stones at the devil all found there way into Islamic practice.

The final piece of the puzzle was in found in the religion of the Sabeans, an astral religion that worshipped the moon god and planned their religious rites around the lunar calendar. One such rite was fasting from crescent moon to crescent moon, a practice which would also be adopted by Muhammad.

If these things were not present before Muhammad received them from Allah (who himself is the moon god of Muhammad's tribe), why did Muhammad not have to explain what those words meant in the Quran? How would people have known who Allah was? ( or: what a jinn was? what the Kabah was? what the word Islam meant? etc.). Even the word "Islam" which many believe to mean "submission" was not an original word. In Arabic it was a secular term that denoted the strength and bravery of a desert warrior (a definition that accurately reflects the war-like tribes that founded Islam with bloodshed).

The Moon God

"Allah" is from the compound Arabic word "al-ilah" or in english "the god". Allah was known before Muhammad's time without a doubt. His name has been found in pre-islamic writings and other archeological finds. At the Kabah in Mecca over 350 gods were worshipped, but it was built especially for the chief deity - the moon god. Allah was the personal title of the moon god. Allah was married to the sun goddess. They produced three daughters, whose worship Muhammad would later make the mistake of condoning. The crescent moon symbol of Arabia came from this god.

Muhammad's family revered this particular god, and it is this idol that Muhammad declared to be the only true god. So, Allah - far from being the revealed God of the Bible as Muhammad would have us believe - is nothing more than an amplified pagan idol. Muhammad did not re-make the pagan god, he simply removed the lower deities from the rites of worship. That is why he never had to explain who Allah was. By definition, an idol converted in the 7th century into a new god cannot be the sama God revealed thousands of years earlier to Biblical prophets!

[tpaine]

Jesus claimed He was God and thus, it is only Him, His teachings, that one looks at to scrutinize. Since He is God, it is also only Him that can tell anyone who the God of the Old Testament is. I have found that Jesus is a libertarian and His teachings are w/o logical error. That leads me to believe He is who He said He is. Do you have an example where He contradicts Himself, or displays He has some nature of a tyrant?

102 posted on 10/23/01 1:27 PM Pacific by spunkets

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You quoted only part of Spunkets question to OWK, _jim. --- Do you believe the underlined libertarian portion? Do these truths convince you also?

[permit me a little scoffing disbelief at your questions sincerity]

[RnMomof7]

Hi mercy..I am just floating around ..playing a bit..

:>)

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Islam's God:IS A MAN The Origin of Allah the Moon MAN IS NOT A God

[Centurion2000]

bump for the fireworks later when I can read this thing./

[moonhawk]

Now, they are mistaken about many of the attributes of God, but that doesn't mean they are praying to a non-entity. Are you saying that God doesn't hear their prayers?

I'm quite sure he HEARS them...I just hope he doesn't ANSWER them, all things considered.

[Prodigal Daughter]

You have to read the whole book and not just the inside cover. There's a huge difference between love your enemies and kill your enemies.

[VeritatisSplendor]

I'm quite sure he HEARS them...I just hope he doesn't ANSWER them, all things considered.

You can't really mean this. Most of the prayers prayed by Muslims are probably things like "God, preserve the health of my family". You WANT God to deny those prayers because those Muslims have some incorrect ideas about him?

Everyone on this thread should read C.S. Lewis's "The Last Battle" (the parts about Emeth the Calormene especially).

[headsonpikes]

"Don't waste your breath with these heathen'.---signed, "mercy"

Thank you for this...I don't know how to... he he, oh you devil!..heheheh...BWAHAHAHA!!!!!..Now I'm ROTFLOLOLOL!!!!!

Now THAT"S funny!!! You're the BEST!!!

Man! I thought I was an ironist. I'm nothing. You're the best, Merc, old pal. ;^)

[The_Reader_David]

Perhaps because within a Christian context, I am a counterexample. I was raised as a Calvinist in an overwhelmingly protestant society, but am now Eastern Orthodox. Our soteriology is flatly non-Augustinian, while Calvinism is hyper-Augustinian. Our sacramental theology is derided as "magical" by Calvinists...

People change. And theology, if you take it seriously is a positive science, not a synthetic one.

[Patria One]

As in Matthew v. 43-48? Yes, both the Bible and the Koran say contradictory things if taken piecemeal or out of context.

[wretchard]

Yep, who are we to judge? One set of beliefs is just as good as another. Terrorists are people, too. Sometimes good people do bad things. It's all a matter of style. All morality is class morality. No belief is worth fighting for. If the Germans landed at Dover we should welcome them as tourists. Better Red than Dead. I swear an oath never again to fight for King and Country.

In just a moment we will turn on the showers, there is no need to be afraid.

[#3Fan]

I find it interesting that you ignored my earlier post. Don't you find it at all peculiar that the only thing that seperates your vehement belief in your God, and their vehement belief in their God, is the geographical accident of your birth? Had you been born elsewhere, you'd be every bit as convinced of the "truth of Allah" as you are currently convinced of the "truth of God". Doesn't this give you even a moment's pause for consideration?

You're generalizing. For some, the attraction of the bible is that it's the only place where truth exists. I was born in an atheist family, and was an atheist for the first 24 years of my life. However, I've always been a searcher for truth of the environment around me. The more science, physics, Chemistry, Mathematics classes I took in college, the more I realized that there were many dimensions that the human senses can't be aware of for the most part. If there are many dimensions, then anything is possible as far as alternate existences goes. Reading the bible makes one realize that there's no way it was wholly inspired by flesh man. It's the only "religious" work that I've read that conveys the extreme intelligence that can only come from one that is much more cognizant than man. When I read the Koran, I don't get the same feeling. Before the bible, I read the works of alternate scientific religions, those didn't impress me either. It has nothing to do with the popularity due to region as you say. I'm a contrarian and so it wasn't easy for me to accept something a lot of other people believed and that I spent years speaking against, being a scientific minded person. If Christianity didn't exist in this country and there was no access to it and the main belief was Islam, I would still be an agnostic. But the words of God in the bible prove to me that there are dimensions that exist and that we will all report to when the silver cord is broken.

When I read your words, you sound just like me before I turned 24. I guess there are some who come to know and some who know not.

[#3Fan]

My point is that the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of those standing in defense of the "truth" of Christianity on this thread, being the same ones standing in defense of the "truth" of Islam had they been born elsewhere.

That may be true for the average citizen of the world, but it's not true for Freepers. Freepers tend to be more interested in deeper truth. If we weren't, we'd take the easy way out and be liberals.

[FrdmLvr]

So when Muslims worship the God of Abraham, they're worshipping some kind of "Moon-God"

They're not worshiping the God of Abraham, they are worshiping the moon god.

[tonycavanagh]

I saw a similar report done on the Bible, the Flood Noah, the Virgin Birth, and the holy three, all taken from pagan religions that preceded the Bible.

Tony

[#3Fan]

No one knows when Jesus was actually born so one date is as good as any other.

Jesus was conceived on December 25 and born around September 25. John the Baptist was conceived on June 25th and Jesus was conceived six months later as told in Luke.

[Who is George Salt?]

"Must be those tricky southern muslims."

Robert Morey - the source of all this "Moon God" crap - also wrote a pamphlet titled Islam, a White Slaver's Religion, in which he proceeded to "prove" that Muhammed was not Semitic, but a White Man! Yep, those antebellum plantation owners were all closet Muslims!

[#3Fan]

I have found that Jesus is a libertarian and His teachings are w/o logical error.

He's no liberatarian. He took a whip to the moneychangers.

[Who is George Salt?]

This flimsy piece of agitprop is not the product of a vibrant and confident community of faith; it is the pathetic rant of a closed, frightened, insular community that is incapable of coping with the modern world. The Scopes Monkey Trial rocked your world to the core, and you and your ilk still haven't fully recovered.

[#3Fan]

I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say.

Proof that your deductive reasoning abilities are lacking.