Posted on 10/21/2001 10:33:10 PM PDT by bonesmccoy
Just wanted to leave you all some info on Vaccinia vaccination. Basically, last I heard the small pox immunization was not being produced in the USA. There was a report today that DOD has ordered supplies from UK. Frankly, I don't know how the UK could be producing the vaccine. The only known stockpiles of the virus (after World Health Organization/UN announced eradication of the virus from Earth) were in the US and USSR. If a UK company is making vaccine, what is in the vaccine?
The old vaccine was produced using techniques that would not be licensed or approved today. So, the stockpile doesn't meet current specs. Also, my info was that the stockpile is about 20 years old.
I don't know about you guys, but I'm not about to use 20-year-old vaccine in my practice without knowing that the vaccine was needed. I certainly would not use it in our children, unless I was convinced that a threat exists.
I do have the scar from the smallpox vaccine on my arm. My doctor gave it to me in the late 1970's. So, I feel a certain measure of comfort from that knowledge. However, it is important to note that the immunologic effect of the vaccine wanes (decreases) over the years.
Talking-heads on CNN et al have been stating that those who received the vaccine may not be immune. Well, I would like to point out to those @%^*!s that the original small pox vaccine was a LIVE VIRUS. That's why your skin ended up with welts, sores, and then scarred for life. The Japanese used the Oka Chicken Pox Vaccine for 20 years before the US gov't finally got it released to our nation. Have the Japanese seen any waning immunity from Oka Varicella Zoster Vaccine (the chickenpox vaccine)? NO! Yet, there are still idiot talking-heads who are PAID to show up on some news program and to spout incorrect info that the OkaVZV vaccine has concerns about waning immunity. ACCORDING TO WHOM?
The FDA can find an answer to the question of waning smallpox immunity real fast. THOMPSON NEEDS TO TELL CDC TO COMMISSION A FOLLOW-UP STUDY ON THE OLD SMALLPOX IMMUNIZATION. Have CDC draw serum samples on our generation of kids (who got the vaccine when we were young and are now consenting adults). Confirm when the patient received the vaccine and check the sample for any antibodies to smallpox. If you find IgG antibodies (assuming we know how to locate such antibodies, which I can not vouch for), then you will know if boosters are needed in previously immunized individuals.
Vaccinia Vaccine
Vaccinia (smallpox) vaccine, a licensed product, is a preparation of infectious vaccinia virus whose origin and manipulation is FDA approved. The vaccinia is grown in the skin of a vaccinated bovine calf (2). In 1982, the only active licensed producer of vaccinia vaccine in the United States, Wyeth Laboratories, discontinued production for general use, and, in 1983, distribution to the civilian population was discontinued. Smallpox vaccination has not been required for international travelers since January 1982, and International Certificates of Vaccination no longer include smallpox vaccination.
CDC provides vaccinia vaccine for laboratory workers directly involved with smallpox or closely related orthopox viruses (e.g., monkeypox and vaccinia). Due to clinical trials involving recombinant vaccinia virus vaccines, health-care workers (e.g., physicians and nurses) may now be exposed to vaccinia and recombinant vaccinia viruses and should be considered for vaccinia vaccination (6).
There is no evidence that smallpox vaccination has any therapeutic value in the treatment or prevention of recurrent herpes simplex infection, warts, oral thrush, or any other diseases (6). Requests for smallpox vaccine for these unapproved uses cannot be granted.
Epsom salts, added to bath water, is also a diuretic, helps to reduce swelling in the ankles and feet , and is a FANTASTIC soil addative, when used to grow tomatoes.
Your posted link is useless IF smallpox is let loose in this country.
What is known about the National Vaccine Information Center? Reliable source?
Pertinent article text:
Would Vaccine Cause More Harm?
Some experts also believe the smallpox vaccine has severe health risks.
"The smallpox vaccine is the most reactive [disease causing] vaccine that we have ever used," said Barbara Loe Fisher, spokeswoman for the National Vaccine Information Center. "I do know that brain complications occurred within one to six weeks of the original smallpox vaccination, most frequently after the first dose, and that the reaction rate was between 1 in 159 and 1 in every 6,500 vaccinated persons."
According to Fisher, vaccination-related brain complications were most common in children under 2 years of age, and 50 percent of those children who developed the complications died from them. She also said 35 percent of adults who developed brain complications from the smallpox vaccine also died.
Fisher asserted that "those in fragile health, immune compromised, are at a higher risk," of complications from the vaccine, but individuals who are genetically predisposed against experiencing complications are at a lesser risk for developing disease.
"What we have to do in this crisis situation ... is to keep a perspective and a balance," Fisher said. "In any mass vaccination campaign, you are going to have casualties, and the number of casualties are going to determine if you are screening out" people likely to develop adverse reactions to the vaccine.
End quote.
THE WAY TO TREAT SMALL-POX & PREVENTING DISFIGUREMENT
THE WAY TO TREAT SMALL-POX
Once the official panic-propaganda is stopped and the public has learned to cast out fear the rest will be easy, provided the great Vaccination business is done away with.(suppose the vaccinations arn't available)
No one fears the advent of a boil or a carbuncle, and, after all, Small-pox is but a type of carbuncle multiplied and spread over a larger area instead of being concentrated at one spot.
The purpose of boils, carbuncles and Small-pox is the same-ic to rid the system of impurity in the form of pus.
Of the orthodox treatment of Smallpox, the less said the better. Suffice it to add that the diet, the roughly extemporised hospitals and the treatment are all wrong, because of a general misunderstanding of the fundamentals the healing crisis.(obviously this is their opinion, not that I believe it myself)
The aim should be to assist Nature to perform her task, and to help the patient back to health and keep free from scars blemish.
DR. LINDLAHR’S WAY
Dr. Lindlahr has obtained some entirely successful results from partial fastings, using only diluted fruit juices. No solid foods are given, thus relieving the system of the burden of digestion and liberating more energy for the great eliminative effort.
An alternative method, which I have personally found very effective in septic cases, is to limit the dietary to potatoes, baked in their skins, casserole-cooked green vegetables, dry cold toast and butter, with water as the only drink.
My object in this dietary is to give those foods which, while in the digestive system, absorb and neutralize toxic poisons.
The result is that much of the septic virus to be eliminated finds its way into the digestive system and is neutralized, thus lessening the strain of the surface excretion and incidentally the severity of the skin eruption.
PREVENTING DISFIGUREMENT
In mild cases full Epsom salts baths should be used, as this salt, applied to the surface, abstracts toxic poisons.
Two pounds of the salts should be used in each bath, the temperature of which should be maintained at 104 degrees all the while the patient is in it, which should be for 30 minutes.
In severe cases where baths are undesirable, the whole skin should be amply lubricated.
A weak carbolic oil or, - better still, olive oil medicated with peppermint or hydrastis cannadensis, is effective for this purpose. The use of these oils soothes the skin, allays irritation and prevents pitting and disfigurement.
Take this as "When there is no doctor or vaccination." If / when something like this happens there will not be room in the hospitals, so someone better know something about home treatment.
"The current specs" were written by trial lawyers, or people who were afraid of trial lawyers, and may not be applicable to the present situation.
>> Confirm when the patient received the vaccine and check the sample for any antibodies to smallpox. If you find IgG antibodies (assuming we know how to locate such antibodies, which I can not vouch for), then you will know if boosters are needed in previously immunized individuals<<
This is the method used to "time" the need for a booster, and is widely used for rabies and Hepatitis B. However, the vaccine induces long-lived memory T-cells, which are the true basis of immunity (but can't be measured). I have always argued (I think correctly) that a waning HBV titer does not indicate susceptibility because of the persistence of memory T-cells, and I suspect the same is true of smallpox.
If I had old vaccine, I would vaccinate my kids today.
You would need to talk with the kidney transplant doctors to get the best advice in your daughter's case, she might not be on very much anti-rejection medicine but they would know what her individual situation is. She's in a better situation than certain people undergoing chemotherapy who have very little immunity. I just hope they start immunizing soon for all those who want it, there are people with almost no immune system that can't get live vaccines, the best protection for them would be to not wait for an emergency and the disease is spreading, but to make enough people immune that the disease couldn't spread far if someone tried.
Before the vacine was available, anybody who had survived small pox was immune. Suggesting if you were given the live virus you would be permenantly immune.
A relative of mine (born in the early 1900's) had to get the smallpox vaccination in the '70s before going abroad.
Up until 1982, as the article notes, vaccination was required for international travelers.
....but now they're saying even that wouldn't be effective at this present time???????
The critical experiment would be to (a) demonstrate antibodies from an anamnestic (memory) immune response to a vaccine administerly to previously immunized subjects and (b) determine whether said antibodies neutralize the virus in vitro.
The final step would be to determine if the vaccine is protective in vaccine humans, but that likely would not be accomplished until after the vaccine was deployed and vacinees were challenged by exposure to smallpox as a result of an outbreak of infection....
Just looked in the mirror, and don't have any scars, could someone have been vaccinated and not gotten a scar?
Back in the "old days," if a baby didn't have a pustule from the first vaccination, we would say it "didn't take" and the vaccination would be repeated just to be sure there wasn't a problem with the vaccine or the administration.
Some people could have a natural immunity, but I wouldn't count on that because it is very rare. If you don't have a scar (usually on the outside of your left upper arm), consider yourself unvaccinated and be sure to get one when they become available.
We all had to get booster vaccinations when we were seniors in high school. They gave them into the old scars, and most of the reactions were minimal. Mine was a little pimple and no pain.
Because I was a nurse and did travel overseas, I had additional boosters up until 1970 and none of them had any reactions at all.
I believe they stopped requiring smallpox vaccinations in 1972. Our son was born in 1973 and I wasn't able to get one for him even though I wanted one.
Good thread, TGYC. Thanks for the post.
He claims he is, however, the first day he showed up here on FR, he went way over the top while insisting that no one should take antibiotics for inhalation anthrax until after symptoms appear. He emphasized that it was like any other disease.
He then went into a frenzy of insulting anyone who dared point out the folly of the free medical advice he was peddling.
In other words, he gave people a recipe for death, and then tried to endorse it with the Hey, I'm A Doctor! trip.
Remarkably consistent, isn't he? This is the same "doctor" who -- on the same day he showed up on FR -- went into a posting frenzy where he insulted anyone who suggested that his advice was bogus. What was his advice? He advised that it was silly paranoia and panic mongering to suggest taking antibiotics before inhalation anthrax symptoms appear.
Yup -- he was the lone "medical" voice in the world insisting that you should wait until inhalation anthrax symptoms appear before beginning treatment. He said it was like any other disease, and thus, there was no reason to begin treatment on contact.
Two things stand out with that situation. First, the reason they have ceased production is because the FDA ordered them to cease production. Until the FDA lifts the prohibition, they can't begin producing it again. The other curious fact is that apparently the CEO is an arab.
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