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Campus protesters ignite U.S. flags
MASSLIVE.COM ^ | TODAY | PATRICK JOHNSON

Posted on 10/19/2001 8:10:11 AM PDT by jbstrick

Campus protesters ignite U.S. flags

Friday, October 19, 2001
By PATRICK JOHNSON

AMHERST — Amherst College students were stunned moments after a pro-America rally involving more than 100 people ended yesterday when several protesters emerged from the crowd to set fire to a U.S. flag.

As the sounds of "God Bless America" continued through the public address system in front of the Keefe Campus Center, as many as 10 demonstrators doused two flags with lighter fluid and set them on fire.

Five members of the group then spread a larger flag on the ground and stood on it while chanting "This flag doesn't represent me; this flag doesn't represent us."

The crowd of more than 100 people, mostly Amherst College students who moments before rallied around the flag, stood in stunned silence as the same flag was desecrated.

"This is really upsetting to me," said Christopher Palacios, a sophomore from Miami.

Palacios, who said his parents fled Cuba in the 1960s to escape Fidel Castro, said, "It makes me sick when American kids say the American flag scares them."

The pro-America rally yesterday was organized by a new student group called Amherst Assembly for Patriotism.

The group formed in response to peace rallies at each of the Five Colleges in recent weeks as well as the controversial decision by the town of Amherst to limit flag displays downtown.

"Amherst is 25 square miles surrounded by reality," said Theodore Hertzberg, a sophomore from Long Island. "I'm relieved the rest of the country does not feel the same way."

The crowd had just finished a group recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance and was beginning to disperse when as many as 10 protesters came forward.

Most of those protesting the flag declined to be interviewed.

One who did, 19-year-old Dan Griffin of Minneapolis, Minn., said the protest sought to show that the United States is responsible for much of the pain and suffering in the world.

The United States has helped continue a spree of genocide that dates back to Columbus in 1492, he said.

"How people take it is how they take it," he said.

Griffin identified himself as a student but declined to say at which college. He said the others are from different area colleges but would not say which.

Hampshire College officials confirmed a student named Dan Griffin is registered.

The University of Massachusetts records show a Daniel Griffin was enrolled but he withdrew at the start of the semester.

Michael Flood, co-founder of the Amherst Assembly for Patriotism, said he found the actions of the protesters to be inappropriate, especially since he suspects none of them are from Amherst College.

"I believe they have a right to burn the flag, but this is inappropriate," he said.

Sophomore Nick Echelbarger from Seattle said the burning was free speech of the lowest form.

"It doesn't make a point. It's just poor taste," he said.


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To: AppyPappy
Typical of Amherst.

Yeh, they have their own version of Elis Island. Give me your liberals, your leaches, your loathsome....

21 posted on 10/19/2001 8:25:32 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: jbstrick
Activity like this plus the two "educators" that Bill O'Reilly has had on this week, give no doubt as to the reasons why this world is so screwed up!
22 posted on 10/19/2001 8:26:00 AM PDT by jshermn
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To: First_Salute
Damn!!! I just got finished cleaning off my keyboard....and now I'm going to hurl all over again.
23 posted on 10/19/2001 8:27:01 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: jbstrick
Why didn't the pro American students KICK the flag burners ASS ???????
24 posted on 10/19/2001 8:29:05 AM PDT by clamper1797
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To: AppyPappy
Typical of Amherst. Even the so-called patriots are cowards.
25 posted on 10/19/2001 8:29:33 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: jbstrick
This makes me sick also! I know we, as Americans have the 'right' to burn the flag should we choose, but we should also have the respect not to show such disrespect and disloyalty to our great nation....the nation that provides us with freedom! Either one is an American or one is not. A true American would not chose to burn the symbol of our country!
26 posted on 10/19/2001 8:30:45 AM PDT by lady on the right
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To: Focault's Pendulum
The United States has helped continue a spree of genocide that dates back to Columbus in 1492, he said.

Maybe my history is a little off, but it was my understanding that the United States did not exist until the late 1700s.
27 posted on 10/19/2001 8:30:54 AM PDT by chriservative
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To: KarlInOhio
LOL. Thanks, Karl.
28 posted on 10/19/2001 8:31:33 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: clamper1797
Because they are Massholes and have no ba--s! I am disappointed in the Cuban kid. They usually have some fire in their belly...
29 posted on 10/19/2001 8:31:49 AM PDT by cactmh
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To: 1L
Darnit - I got beaten to it again.
30 posted on 10/19/2001 8:32:15 AM PDT by chriservative
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To: gaspar
Typical of Amherst. Even the so-called patriots are cowards.

I don't think it was cowardice, I think it was just shock.

But what do you expect from students from ZooMass and Hampshire College, an experimental "school" you can get degrees in Ultimate Frisbee from. At least Amherst is a respected academic institution.

I used to live in Amherst for a number of years. I almost went to that school. I don't remember it being such a hotbed of shiite liberalism....but it doesn't REALLY surprise me, sadly...
31 posted on 10/19/2001 8:33:07 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: jbstrick
Dan Griffin of Minneapolis, Minn.

Oh good, a local boy. Hmmmm.

I didn't know the United States existed in 1492, did you?

32 posted on 10/19/2001 8:33:14 AM PDT by gore_sux
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To: jbstrick
I guess my question is why was no one arrested for beating the crap out of these leftwing losers. I got to say I would have had to respond violently to these jerks.
33 posted on 10/19/2001 8:35:01 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: jbstrick
In regards to all of us becoming more aware of possible terrorist threats and attacks, it looks like there's still a lot of work to do.

Not to judge the pro-America boosters at this rally too harshly, but they really didn't react too well to this low-grade terrorist act of flag burning.

They should not have been surprised that it happened - they should have been expecting it and planned for it. Had they done so, their senses would have been on high alert and they would have sprung into action. Instead, caught unawares, they were stunned into inaction. Too bad. Lesson learned by these young patriots, I hope.

34 posted on 10/19/2001 8:35:15 AM PDT by Gumption County
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To: jbstrick
I saw this item this morning on Drudge and I had such a flash of anger and disgust that I looked this kid Griffin up on Hampshire's website. I was going to really let him have it. But then I thought, jeez, this jerk is only 19 years old. He's been fed nothing but lies and sophistry by his educators. He knows nothing really, if he's anything like I was at that age.

The act is despicable, but the kids are parroting the tripe they've learned from members of the NEA/AFT. Those are the bozos who really deserve our contempt.

35 posted on 10/19/2001 8:35:33 AM PDT by beckett
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To: KSCITYBOY
I would have worn my orange jumpsuit ... with PRIDE
36 posted on 10/19/2001 8:35:55 AM PDT by clamper1797
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To: jbstrick
I'll bet the American flag "represents" the spoiled little brats when they line up for grants in aid and federal education loans. Not a word of thanks from this Pampr'd spoilage, though, just like some of their parents from the Sixties.
37 posted on 10/19/2001 8:36:10 AM PDT by laconic
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To: jbstrick
I'm shocked that Universities and colleges have so many leftists, Marxists, anarchists, etc.
38 posted on 10/19/2001 8:36:57 AM PDT by Lent
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To: jbstrick
Just one question.

What do the libertarians on FR think about this incident and the students involved in the burning of the U.S. flag and chanting anti-American slogans?

39 posted on 10/19/2001 8:37:01 AM PDT by A2J
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To: beckett
The anti-American kids need "re-education" BUT in the meantime burn the flag (or attempt) within sight of this former Navy Seal and 2 tour Vietnam Vet and there WILL be a price to pay
40 posted on 10/19/2001 8:38:15 AM PDT by clamper1797
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