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The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)
Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams


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To: biblewonk
sarcasm time: How dare you quote from the scripture and tell my YOUR interpretation. How arrogant of you to think you understand the bible.

Oh! I'm sorry. I forgot myself. I almost posted this:

Mark 13:

10 And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.

I was going to ask why Mary didn't help out with the preaching, then I realized she was a woman and Jesus didn't choose any women for that role. I imagine her voice will be muted until the gospel is preached to all nations by men.
37,201 posted on 03/27/2002 11:20:20 AM PST by OLD REGGIE
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To: DouglasKC
If he considered swine acceptable food, he surely wouldn't allow them to be wasted by allowing demons to enter into them and having them die at sea.

That is a stretch considering most of the people he came to didn't consider them a food source to begin with and may be why there was still a herd of them left.

37,202 posted on 03/27/2002 11:22:46 AM PST by vmatt
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To: vmatt
If he considered swine acceptable food, he surely wouldn't allow them to be wasted by allowing demons to enter into them and having them die at sea.
That is a stretch considering most of the people he came to didn't consider them a food source to begin with and may be why there was still a herd of them left.

I thought it taught a valuable lesson. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this too.

37,203 posted on 03/27/2002 11:25:00 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: ksen
Is there anyplace in the Bible, your half or my half ;^), where God condones someone lying, even if it is for a good purpose. BTW, silence does not equal condoning.

1 Kings 22;19 And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. 20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. 21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. 22 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persude him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. 23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

37,204 posted on 03/27/2002 11:31:15 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: OLD REGGIE
until the gospel is preached to all nations by men.

NEWSFLASH!

Colossians 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

37,205 posted on 03/27/2002 11:33:44 AM PST by vmatt
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Troublemaker.

-ksen

37,206 posted on 03/27/2002 11:34:34 AM PST by ksen
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To: vmatt
What a great writing, I tried my best to find something I could disagree with and found nothing. Thanks for upholding the word of God.

Surely your not going to give up that easily vmatt, take your time and look it over again. hahahaha

I know, "and don't call you Shirley." Lol Thanks JH

37,207 posted on 03/27/2002 11:36:32 AM PST by JHavard
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
LOL
37,208 posted on 03/27/2002 11:36:56 AM PST by tiki
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To: DouglasKC
I thought it taught a valuable lesson. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this too.

There may well be a lesson there but whether or not to eat pork or food conservation you must admit is not readily discernable. It's kind of funny that since these swine became fish food many a Jew ended up eating fish who had different compunctions about what they ate.

37,209 posted on 03/27/2002 11:40:55 AM PST by vmatt
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To: JHavard
Surely your not going to give up that easily vmatt, take your time and look it over again. hahahaha

LOL.

37,210 posted on 03/27/2002 11:44:13 AM PST by vmatt
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To: ksen
Troublemaker.

If it weren't so slow in here I probably would have been content just to kick back and observe. :-)

37,211 posted on 03/27/2002 11:47:33 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown [Gen. 6:4].

It says, “There were giants in the earth in those days,” but it does not say they are the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men. It does say this about the offspring: “the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” These were not monstrosities; they were men. The record here makes it very clear that the giants were in the earth before this took place, and it simply means that these offspring were outstanding individuals.

What do ya think?

BigMack

37,212 posted on 03/27/2002 11:59:22 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: ksen
Is there anyplace in the Bible, your half or my half ;^), where God condones someone lying, even if it is for a good purpose.

And behold, the LORD stood above it and said, "I am the LORD, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and to your descendants (Genesis 28:13)

;o)

Seriously,

So the king of Egypt called the midwives, and said to them, "Why have you done this, and let the male children live?"
The midwives said to Pharaoh, "Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women; for they are vigorous and are delivered before the midwife comes to them."
So God dealt well with the midwives; and the people multiplied and grew very strong. (Exodus 1:18-20)

And when the Syrians came down against him, Eli'sha prayed to the LORD, and said, "Strike this people, I pray thee, with blindness." So he struck them with blindness in accordance with the prayer of Eli'sha.
And Eli'sha said to them, "This is not the way, and this is not the city; follow me, and I will bring you to the man whom you seek." And he led them to Sama'ria.
As soon as they entered Sama'ria, Eli'sha said, "O LORD, open the eyes of these men, that they may see." So the LORD opened their eyes, and they saw; and lo, they were in the midst of Sama'ria.
When the king of Israel saw them he said to Eli'sha, "My father, shall I slay them? Shall I slay them?"
He answered, "You shall not slay them. Would you slay those whom you have taken captive with your sword and with your bow? Set bread and water before them, that they may eat and drink and go to their master."
So he prepared for them a great feast; and when they had eaten and drunk, he sent them away, and they went to their master. And the Syrians came no more on raids into the land of Israel. (2 Kings 6:18-23)

And Ja'el came out to meet Sis'era, and said to him, "Turn aside, my lord, turn aside to me; have no fear." So he turned aside to her into the tent, and she covered him with a rug.
And he said to her, "Pray, give me a little water to drink; for I am thirsty." So she opened a skin of milk and gave him a drink and covered him.
And he said to her, "Stand at the door of the tent, and if any man comes and asks you, `Is any one here?' say, No."
But Ja'el the wife of Heber took a tent peg, and took a hammer in her hand, and went softly to him and drove the peg into his temple, till it went down into the ground, as he was lying fast asleep from weariness. So he died.
And behold, as Barak pursued Sis'era, Ja'el went out to meet him, and said to him, "Come, and I will show you the man whom you are seeking." So he went in to her tent; and there lay Sis'era dead, with the tent peg in his temple...
Most blessed of women be Ja'el,
the wife of Heber the Ken'ite,
of tent-dwelling women most blessed.
He asked water and she gave him milk,
she brought him curds in a lordly bowl.
She put her hand to the tent peg
and her right hand to the workmen's mallet;
she struck Sis'era a blow,
she crushed his head,
she shattered and pierced his temple. (Judges 4:18-23, 5:24-26)

And they will hearken to your voice; and you and the elders of Israel shall go to the king of Egypt and say to him, `The LORD, the God of the Hebrews, has met with us; and now, we pray you, let us go a three days' journey into the wilderness, that we may sacrifice to the LORD our God.' (Exodus 3:18)

And Samuel said, "How can I go? If Saul hears it, he will kill me." And the LORD said, "Take a heifer with you, and say, `I have come to sacrifice to the LORD.' (1 Samuel 16:2)

Now the Jews' feast of Tabernacles was at hand.
So his brothers said to him, "Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples may see the works you are doing.
For no man works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world."
For even his brothers did not believe in him.
Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always here.
The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I
testify of it that its works are evil.
Go to the feast yourselves; I am not going up to this
feast, for my time has not yet fully come."
So saying, he remained in Galilee.
But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he
also went up, not publicly but in private. (John 7:2-10)

And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? (James 2:25)

37,213 posted on 03/27/2002 12:04:46 PM PST by malakhi
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
It says, “There were giants in the earth in those days,” but it does not say they are the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men. It does say this about the offspring: “the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” These were not monstrosities; they were men. The record here makes it very clear that the giants were in the earth before this took place, and it simply means that these offspring were outstanding individuals.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Seems pretty clear to me. "Sons of God" is Bnai Elohim in the hebrew. The only other place in the Bible you find "sons of God" as "Bnai Elohim" is in the Book of Job

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan[2] also came among them. 7And the LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?"

37,214 posted on 03/27/2002 12:06:17 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: angelo
Ok! Ok! I concede this point. It seems that you have the evidence to back up your claim.

BTW, have a blessed Passover.

-ksen

37,215 posted on 03/27/2002 12:17:32 PM PST by ksen
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To: ksen; Invincibly Ignorant; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; SoothingDave; All
BTW, have a blessed Passover.

Thank you. And a blessed Easter to all of you!

As I said on the other thread, I will be offline from tonight until Saturday night for the first two days of Passover, and then for Shabbat. I'll see y'all later!

37,216 posted on 03/27/2002 12:33:41 PM PST by malakhi
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To: OLD REGGIE
Just how is Mary to lead us to Christ? Certainly we aren't to pray to Mary, are we?

I’ll give you the short answer. Follow her advice, "Do whatever he tells you." (Jn 2:5).

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
That seems pretty clear. Only Jesus. No one else. What am I missing?

It would be helpful if you read the 1st 4 verses of 1 Timothy

1 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men,
2 for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way.
3 This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I don’t see where these verses exclude the idea of other people praying for us, whether in heaven or on earth. I would say our prayers become efficacious because of Christ's Mediatorship since we pray in his name.

Where in Scripture is it shown that Mary has a role beyond that of mother?

How about

“I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed; she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel." (Genisis 3:15)

Or

“Woman, behold thy son. After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own" (John 19:25-27).

37,217 posted on 03/27/2002 12:39:07 PM PST by pegleg
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To: angelo
Thank you. And a blessed Easter to all of you!

Yeah, and Happy Passover to you as well. Isn't it funny how you guys keep scheduling that so close to Easter?

SD

37,218 posted on 03/27/2002 12:40:29 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: biblewonk
It is well known that one of the RC tricks of the trade is to take the bible out of the hands of the Christians.

Really? Where did you hear or read this?

Calling them arrogant for reading it is a good example of how that is done.

I did not call you arrogant for reading the bible. I called you arrogant because you are criticizing a devotion because it does not line up with your interpretation of scripture. I supposed it never occurred to you that you could be wrong.

37,219 posted on 03/27/2002 12:44:58 PM PST by pegleg
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To: SoothingDave
They scheduled Hannakah pretty close to christmas too. :-)
37,220 posted on 03/27/2002 12:53:44 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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