When you learn to spin fast enough to make the bottle appear to be standing still, you've got it!
Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten anything that is common(koinos) or unclean(akathartos).
Since these two Greek words were the crux of your argument, that is all I will deal with here.
Peter had no problem understanding what God had told him, because in Verse 28, Peter told Cornelius that he had been instructed tocall no man either “koinos” (common) or “akatharos” (unclean).
Both meanings were covered, so the whole term unclean and common were done away with, because now V-34, Peter perceived that God is not a “respecter of persons”.
Peter realized that God looks on the heart of man, and not on the physical. Israel was all outside show, while few had a heart that God required.
Gods people were moving from the physical to the spiritual, and all the things that once identified his people as such were done away with.
No more circumcision, Priesthood, burnt sacrifices, blowing of horns, special clothing, Temples made by hand, praying in public, outward giving of alms, what a man eats, and now, what organization he attends or what size steeple it has on the roof, or if he fast to be seen of men.
Why did God give Peter a vision of what had been considered unclean animals, to point out to him that Gentiles are no longer common or unclean?
Why not give him a vision of a group of Gentile men and a voice that tells Peter to greet them with a brotherly kiss, or to wash their feet as Jesus had theirs, and then when he said not so Lord, God could have instructed him in the change.
Why did God use unclean animals at all? Peter understood what the message was, because he didn’t hesitate to stay with Cornelius, and eat with them.
I doubt seriously if Peter knowingly ate Pork or any of the Levitical unclean meats, because I myself, having followed the Jewish dietary laws for only 15 years, admit there are still some forms of meat that to me are still not eatable, even though I understand there is nothing wrong with it, other then my perception that stops me from it
This account in Acts 10, was given for future Christians, not those who had been born and raised as a Jew, who would never be able to look on pork as anything other then unclean, and as Christ said in Mt 15: 11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Paul taught the Gentiles that it was even alright to eat food sacrificed to Idols, and I doubt seriously if they only sacrificed clean animals, and even if not, the heathen butchering it and handling it would have contaminated the food, and still Paul wasn’t concerned about it.
Romans 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16. Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17. For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20. For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21. It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
IMVHO, If a man decides to keep the Jewish food laws, there is nothing whatsoever wrong with it unless he thinks God will be somehow impressed with it, since he is not respect of any persons. The only thing God sees in what’s inside a man, and nothing physical impresses him.
The only reason a man who observes the clean and unclean food laws should ever mention it to another person is as his personal hygiene habits, and nothing what so ever to do with his spiritual life.
JH
My point is that even if I were to lie to save someone’s life I would still be guilty of committing a sin. God does not justify sin apart from the atoning death of Jesus Christ.
This is the point which can't be overlooked. Intent effects the sin. Suppose you told the Nazis where the Jews were, because your intent WAS to help them kill more Jews. Is that a Sin? And if so, is it a sin because of the intent behind it?
Of course it would be a sin. Jesus made it quite clear it is not actions alone that are sinful. Sin begins in the heart. A murderer is a murderer long before the fatal blow has been struck. If my intent was to see Angelo’s family put to death then my telling the truth to the Nazis about their whereabouts would make me just as guilty for their deaths as the one who actually snuffs out their lives.
-ksen
There is a difference in that this planet, while revealing the majesty of the Lord in its creation, is not a sentient being. We can indeed praise God through His work on the planet, but it does not lead us to much.
Those who think Mary was a free individual who chose to work with God to accomplish God's will find much to be thankful for in this scenario.
Those who think we are chosen by God to be acted upon and saved and that we are essentially as inert as a ball of rock, will not.
SD
Hey, I like that alot, ya think they would give me a machine gun?
I think all they have in the cerimonial guard is those long axes that would make you look like a Jack in a deck of cards. ;-)
SD
You are missing the point here. DeMontfort is stating that a devotion to Mary provides a smooth yet certain way to Christ. If a devotion to Mary distracts from Christ, then it would be as an illusion of the devil. Just so you know, it is not a requirement of being Catholic to have this devotion. Many Catholics do not do this. As I have stated to you before, if you do not wish to know Christ through Mary, then so be it. However, to criticize this devotion because it does not line up with your personal understanding shows your arrogance.
My RC friend here at work finds it only 'natural' to pray to her. He, like so many others, will not talk about Mary with anyone who is not a fellow Marian.
Sounds like he’s had enough of you. I don’t blame him.
The very thought that someone might not agree infuriates him.
Of course, if someone doesn’t agree with you you’re OK with that.
Here is a parallel example. God created the earth and everything on it. How does glorifying the earth not glorify God?
Poor example here. Mary is the creature God chose to conceive his son. Christ also honored his Mother and Father as the Commandment tells us to do. Also, in Luke’s gospel were are told that all generations will call her blessed.
You never answered my question. Let me repeat it.
The Marian pap ctl/alt/delete's all the truth that he may stumble upon about Him.
Is this your personal opinion or do you have a source for this statement?
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (Exodus 20:16)
In Deuteronomy we find
the judges shall inquire diligently, and if the witness is a false witness and has accused his brother falsely (Deuteronomy 19:18)
Interesting, I hadn't thought about that.
Kevin, what do you say to your wife if she asks you "do I look fat in this dress?" or "do you like my hair this way?"
Listen, I may be a Christian, but I am not stupid. ;^)
-ksen
Sorry, Kevin, I'm just not buying that. I think it is not sinful to save lives.
SD
Ya know, when Becky catches up with him on those dress and hair comments, he could probably pass as one of those one-eyed jacks. ;^)
-ksen
No one is arguing that saving lives is sinful. I am saying that LYING is a sin, whatever the circumstances.
-ksen
I believe shes going to be mad at you for implying it was her I was talking about, I didn't say a word about Becky. (get out of that one if you can! :)
BigMack
Understood. I am saying that being less than completely truthful under certain circumstances is not a sin. When Jesus worked on the Sabbath, was that a sin?
SD
Uh, I didn't think you were implying Becky.
-ksen
The verse "I am the way, the truth and the life". The verse that says any lie is of the devil for when he lies he speaks his native language and is the father of it. The verse that says no lie is if the truth. There are many many many verses about truth aren't there.
Marianism is a lie. God will not be glorified in a lie.
I'm going to remember that one. Once, about 1986, my wife asked me the ultimate loaded question ("Do I look fat in this?"). I had something else on my mind and something possessed me to reply, "Not that elephantine." You'd think she would forget a trivial remark like that eventually, but you'd be wrong.
What a great writing, I tried my best to find something I could disagree with and found nothing. Thanks for upholding the word of God.
Yes ofcourse it's arrogant to think that I can understand the bible as it stands. It's arrogant to notice that the bible doesn't say any of the things of Mary that the RC's say. It's arrogant to trust that the bible is the Word of God and that God is able to speak to me personally through it. It's arrogant to share with anyone what it says when they are free to have their own beliefs.
I agree with the verse however, it does not refute DeMontfort nor Marian devotion. Please re-read my post 37111 which is DeMonforts paragraph 61. I think you missed the part about Truth.
Marianism is a lie. God will not be glorified in a lie.
This is your opinion based on your personal and private interpretation of something you don’t understand. Your arrogance is showing again.
Do you always get this emotional when someone doesn’t agree with you?
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