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1 posted on 10/13/2001 5:05:04 PM PDT by MadameAxe (Madameaxe_@hotmail.com)
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Apologies if this has already been posted. It doesn't seem to be coming up in a search, even after I've posted it.

Hmm...

2 posted on 10/13/2001 5:06:24 PM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
Methinks the pot has difficulties calling the kettle black.
3 posted on 10/13/2001 5:12:18 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: OWK; tex-oma; LarryLied; nunya bidness
Vin...
5 posted on 10/13/2001 5:23:07 PM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
Cut terrorists heads off and sew them into pig bellies and send to the families.

That ought to bring the timid ones out of their cocoons.

Dead guys who can't get into Moslem heaven can't terrorize us or other Muslims.

9 posted on 10/13/2001 5:35:02 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: MadameAxe
Cut terrorists heads off and sew them into pig bellies and send to the families.

That ought to bring the timid ones out of their cocoons.

Dead guys who can't get into Moslem heaven can't terrorize us or other Muslims.

10 posted on 10/13/2001 5:35:06 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: MadameAxe
Everybody should read the Koran. It is posted on many websites. And when folks read the Koran, they will see how hateful and absurd a "religion" it is. It is in fact an Arab call to rule the world in the name of monotheism. The raper and murderer Mohammed understood how bogus he was. He got a big kick out of it all, just like OBL. Islam is a bunch of guys who like to kill, and who are inept when they INSIST that THEY believe in God more than you.
13 posted on 10/13/2001 6:02:09 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: MadameAxe
But Islamic leaders could do a great deal to strengthen this distinction by now coming forward to condemn bin Laden and his ilk as hell-bound murderers totally beyond the margins of acceptable Islamic faith

They could. But it seems that they won't.
This is something 'nuanced' Westerners are going to have to come to grips with...
If we can't make this distinction real, we will be in for a religious war with Islam (ALL of it), will we or nill we.

14 posted on 10/13/2001 6:02:28 PM PDT by Dan De Quille
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To: MadameAxe
You have to wonder why the Muslims never expected anything of Bin Laden with his millions of dollars. He's lived in Saudi and Afghanistan and never built the jobs or used his money for good. Instead he blames the USA and Israel for every problem the Arabs have and they are so gullible they never question why he's so rich.
16 posted on 10/13/2001 6:11:05 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: MadameAxe
Well, I've worked with Hindus in the Information Technology industry, and this has helped me come to some conclusions are regarding all these issues. Working with different ethnic groups is very illuminating. I've learned a lot. Having said that, I have to ask the same question the Hindus do: Where is the fatwa against Mr. bin Laden and his supporters? We see constantly that fatwas are issued against America, Israel, and one group of Moslems against another. Left, right and center they're thrown out. We don't see one against Mr. bin Laden. Some of these moderate guys have the backbones of microbes. I have to say, in their defense, that they've got families, and Mr. bin Laden has shown he'll blow anybody up.

We don't even see a fatwa issued in countries where you'd think the threat of terrorism against moderates would be nil. Kinda disgusting, if you ask me. I've been asked my one Moslem buddy why no fatwa? He was honest, and said that many Moslems are fence sitting on this one. The religious leaders won't issue a fatwa for fear of being shunned, killed, or worse, being thrown out of Islam.

When I was getting my MBA, I dated a Egyptian Moslem, and she told me that for it to go further, I had to convert to Islam. I tried to tell her that well, couldn't we just coexist, since I'm not religious? Nope. Doesn't work that way. Religiously mixed marriages are "verboten." And I would have to convert before we continued, whether or not it got serious. Funny, she didn't have problems drinking alcohol or other things. :-)

Sadly, I've come to the conclusion that my Hindu friends have been pushing on me for 5 years. And that is that Moslems more or less regard us all as infidels. Doesn't look like coexistence is high on their priority list. I would say that only a small percentage of Moslems are fanatical like Mr. bin Laden, but I gotta tell ya, it sure looks like they all tend to be somewhat clannish, like the Hatfields and McCoys.

Another thing pointed out to me. In any country around the world that has a significant Moslem minority (outside of Turkey and Bosnia, which are more westernized than the rest of the Moslem world) you soon see calls for the imposition of Moslem sharia law. Regardless of the feelings of the majority. This has been a source of the contention in Nigeria, and was a reason for the coup in the Sudan. And in the areas in Nigeria where Moslems are the majority, they impose this law anyway, despite what the central government says. In the Sudan the Moslem clerics have given permission for selling Christians into slavery, since after all, they're infidels.

In fairness, Christianity doesn't have a clean record here. But in fairness to those of us who come from Christian backgrounds, it's not 1455, which I believe is the current year on the Moslem calender.

I think we need to give 'em time to adjust to modern times. Moslems are only 20% of the world's religious population. "Other" is the rest. Islam expanded for hundreds of years, with no real impediment until the last several hundred years. Obviously, some groupings within the religion are having a tough time coming to terms with this. That was the main reason British India split into Pakistan and India back in the 40's. Moslems didn't want to live under a Hindu majority state.

It looks like, as the British used to say of the Germans, they're either at your throat or under your boot. Harsh to say that of Moslems, but sadly, I'm coming to think that it's somewhat true, the more reading and research I do.

BTW, Johnson's book is really good. Particularly the part about electricity and how people viewed it when electricity was a new thing. Puts the book Frankenstein in a whole new light. I think I already posted something about this, but ain't shore, as we say here in Virginia....

19 posted on 10/13/2001 6:20:38 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: MadameAxe
BTTT
20 posted on 10/13/2001 6:22:32 PM PDT by timestax
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To: MadameAxe
If this is not the true teaching of the Koran, then leaders of the Arab and Islamic communities could be doing a whole lot better at denouncing it.....

But it is the true teaching of the Q'ran.


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30 posted on 10/14/2001 4:41:33 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: MadameAxe
bttt
37 posted on 10/15/2001 3:48:21 PM PDT by timestax
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To: MadameAxe
"God has given them back what they deserve." - Osama bin Laden, speaking about the 9/11 murders of American civilians.

Are those any words that could come from someone innocent of this crime? I mean if you were accused of a crime, as he knows he was, and you were innocent, you would proclaim your innocence, not "that crime was a great thing."

This statement by Osama was tacit admission of guilt, anybody who demands further "evidence" of Bin Laden's complicity in the crime is simply on his side.

41 posted on 10/21/2001 3:28:22 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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