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Islamic Silence
The Libertarian ^ | October 10, 2001 | Vin Suprynowicz

Posted on 10/13/2001 5:05:03 PM PDT by MadameAxe

In his latest videotaped announcement, terrorist Osama bin Laden leaves little room for anyone to still imagine he played no role in the ruthless New York and Pentagon massacres of September 11, of his fanatical justification for and lack of regret for the outcome, or of his intention to continue recruiting the misguided faithful to his banner, the better to conduct his ongoing jihad against all Americans, and all things American.

"This is America filled with fear from the north to south and east to west, thank God," bin Laden says. "There are civilians, innocent children being killed every day in Iraq without any guilt, and we never hear anybody," he says, referring to the U.N. claim that 500,000 children have died in Iraq thanks to an American embargo which allows the Iraqis to sell as much oil as necessary to buy all the food and medicine they need.

(Are any of Saddam Hussein's soldiers starving? Apparently not. So why don't they share their rations with the little tykes? Admittedly, if American actions are causing even one child to starve that's too many. I've long opposed all this ill-considered, half-hearted third world meddling that only earns us new enemies from Bosnia to Somalia. But shall we now accept at face value the claims of a United Nations which condemns the U.S. and Israel for racism while offering not a word of criticism when white farmers' lands are seized in Zimbabwe due to their race -- a United Nations which overwhelmingly voted terrorist Syria onto the Security Council this week, while contending the reason Communist North Korea again needs food aid is the fact that bad weather has just caused the crops to fail for the 47th year in a row?)

"And every day we see the Israeli tanks going to Jenin, Ramallah, Beit Jalla and other lands of Islam," bin Laden the anti-capitalist Saudi multi-millionaire continues. "And, no, we never hear anybody objecting to that. So when the swords came after eight years to America, then the whole world has been crying for those criminals who attacked. This is the least which could be said about them: They supported the murder against the victim, so God has given them back what they deserve. ... Neither America nor the people who live in it will dream of security before we live it in Palestine, and not before all the infidel armies leave the land of Muhammad," threatened the killer bin Laden.

Palestine was the name of the British protectorate which was divided in half in 1948, to form a Jewish state of Israel and a Palestinian state of Jordan. Their properties largely seized without compensation, the Jews who had been living in what is now Jordan found themselves unmistakably unwelcome there and relocated into Israel -- no mass of Jewish squatters has camped around the borders of that country for the past 50 years, creating a "Jewishtinian problem" and leading to U.N. condemnation of "racist Jordan" for treating them unfairly.

If the Arabs who had been living in what is now Israel left their homes it was not because the Israelis drove them out. Rather, most left before they ever saw an Israeli uniform, believing Arab promises that Israel would soon be conquered and the Jews "driven into the sea." It is not America which has prevented any Palestinians from settling in Jordan or anywhere else in the Arab world, nor which prevents the Palestinian majority in Jordan -- formerly "Palestine" -- from living in "security."

In fact, as Paul Johnson points out in his fine history "Modern Times," over the past 80 years one moderate Arab leader after another has been assassinated for the offense of suggesting some reasonable accommodation might be reached with the Jews. Iraq's Saddam Hussein started his career as one of those assassins.

Some of bin Laden's closest associates have now been linked even to the assassination of Egyptian president Anwar Sadat. Nor have bin Laden and his minions ever expressed a word of regret over all the Muslims and other non-Americans who died in the World Trade Center, nor for the fact that the majority of those killed in the terror bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were not Americans, but rather Africans or Muslims -- or both.

Salman Rushdie is a Muslim -- the main reason Islamic fundamentalists are so outraged that he chooses to live in the West and writes in celebration of such decadent practices as "kissing in public places, bacon sandwiches, disagreement, cutting-edge fashion, literature, generosity ... movies, music, (and) freedom of thought."

Rushdie, who has survived a death sentence from Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini (imposed for the political and cultural content of his novels -- not a very inspiring sign of Muslim tolerance), rejects the arguments of those who say that American foreign policy is in any way to blame for the tragedy. "Let's be clear about why this anti-American onslaught is such appalling rubbish," Mr. Rushdie writes in a current piece for the New York Times Syndicate. "To excuse such an atrocity by blaming U.S. government policies is to deny the basic idea of all morality: that individuals are responsible for their actions."

"The fundamentalist seeks to bring down a great deal more than buildings. Such people are against, to offer just a brief list, freedom of speech, a multiparty political system, universal adult suffrage, accountable government, Jews, homosexuals, women's rights, pluralism, secularism, short skirts, dancing, beardlessness, evolution theory, sex. These are tyrants, not Muslims."

Strong words of condemnation from a man who has put his own life and safety on the line to take a stand up for pluralism and freedom of speech.

But Mr. Rushdie is a mere layman. How many leaders of the Islamic Faith -- both abroad and on these shores -- have expressed similarly strong words of rejection, revulsion, and condemnation for the practices of Mr. bin Laden and his terrorists -- as well as for their interpretation of the dictates of the Koran?

Precious few.

Oh, there have been some carefully chosen words of "regret" for the casualties of September 11. But any Allied military leader of the Second World War could have expressed "regret" over the casualties on both sides caused by our invasions of Sicily, Italy, Tarawa or Iwo Jima ... without meaning that he saw the slightest thing wrong with our war aims or strategy, without meaning that he intended anything other than the further killing of a whole lot more Germans and Japanese, as soon as possible, and as long as they chose to resist.

No, an expression of "regret" is not enough, for "regret" can be felt about "collateral damage" even in a noble and necessary undertaking.

"Even if bin Laden was not behind the September carnage, a declaration of war against him is logical," writes my friend Dr. Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad, of the Minaret of Freedom Islamic think tank in Washington, D.C. "After all, he declared war on the United States in February of 1998. His signature appears on a fax sent to the London-based al-Quds al-Arabi of a directive that specified 'crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims' and ... that therefore 'to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it. ...' (Bin Laden, et al. 1998).

"If someone knows that bin Laden has repudiated this fax, they should produce the evidence now, otherwise it is a top priority for American Muslims to denounce it, and him.

"The fact that a man trains people to kill and tells them it is okay to use the techniques they learn against the innocent (and then gives a prayer of thanks when he hears that someone has done just that) is sufficient cause to consider him a terrorist," Dr. Ahmad continues.

"As Muslims we are obligated to use the same standard of justice with regard to bin Laden as with regard to Ariel Sharon. This is what the Qur'an means when it says: 'O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for justice as witnesses to God even as against yourselves or your parents or your kin and whether it be [against] rich or poor: for God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts [of your hearts] lest ye swerve and if ye distort [justice] or decline to do justice verily God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.' 4:135)."

In a happy change from the kind of war fever that led to the rounding up and forced relocation of law-abiding Japanese-Americans in 1942, President Bush has been at great pains to show a careful discernment that American is not now at war with all the Arab peoples, or with Islam in general.

But Islamic leaders could do a great deal to strengthen this distinction by now coming forward to condemn bin Laden and his ilk as hell-bound murderers totally beyond the margins of acceptable Islamic faith when they call for the ambush and murder of the westerners they have chosen to blame for their own failures, for the fact the Arab nations are overwhelmingly corrupt, failed, backward and oppressive satrapies, from which millions of the best and the brightest have already escaped ... to the West.

If this is not the true teaching of the Koran, then leaders of the Arab and Islamic communities could be doing a whole lot better at denouncing it -- making it clear that those who commit wanton mayhem and murder in this extremist cause are not true followers of their prophet at all, but rather outcasts and criminals who can expect no peace or agreeable reward for such actions, in this world or the next.

Why do they not speak up, like Mr. Rushdie and Dr. Ahmad? Because they are physically afraid of the very terrorists they have bred in their midst? Or is there some other reason?


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1 posted on 10/13/2001 5:05:04 PM PDT by MadameAxe (Madameaxe_@hotmail.com)
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To: nobody in particular
Apologies if this has already been posted. It doesn't seem to be coming up in a search, even after I've posted it.

Hmm...

2 posted on 10/13/2001 5:06:24 PM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
Methinks the pot has difficulties calling the kettle black.
3 posted on 10/13/2001 5:12:18 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
Would you mind expanding upon your cryptic statement?
4 posted on 10/13/2001 5:21:48 PM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: OWK; tex-oma; LarryLied; nunya bidness
Vin...
5 posted on 10/13/2001 5:23:07 PM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
Yes, the pot calling the kettle black is an idiom indicating hypocrisy (i.e. the pot and the kettle are both black).

IMHO the reticence of Islamic leaders to condemn these acts is based on an entanglement with some of these same terrorist groups.

They are either tainted or intimidated. I think the former.

6 posted on 10/13/2001 5:29:48 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: drstevej
IMHO the reticence of Islamic leaders to condemn these acts is based on an entanglement with some of these same terrorist groups.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm familiar with the idiom, but wasn't sure who you were referring to as 'pot' and 'kettle'.

Regards

7 posted on 10/13/2001 5:31:47 PM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
The pot/kettle confusion is valid. dr. j
8 posted on 10/13/2001 5:33:02 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: MadameAxe
Cut terrorists heads off and sew them into pig bellies and send to the families.

That ought to bring the timid ones out of their cocoons.

Dead guys who can't get into Moslem heaven can't terrorize us or other Muslims.

9 posted on 10/13/2001 5:35:02 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: MadameAxe
Cut terrorists heads off and sew them into pig bellies and send to the families.

That ought to bring the timid ones out of their cocoons.

Dead guys who can't get into Moslem heaven can't terrorize us or other Muslims.

10 posted on 10/13/2001 5:35:06 PM PDT by FReethesheeples
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To: FReethesheeples
Was your comment supposed to relate to the posted article in some way?
11 posted on 10/13/2001 5:44:11 PM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
Vin Suprynowicz was so off the wall the first weeks of this....well I like the guy but...but....

He, like everyone in the media, didn't see it.

12 posted on 10/13/2001 5:52:00 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: MadameAxe
Everybody should read the Koran. It is posted on many websites. And when folks read the Koran, they will see how hateful and absurd a "religion" it is. It is in fact an Arab call to rule the world in the name of monotheism. The raper and murderer Mohammed understood how bogus he was. He got a big kick out of it all, just like OBL. Islam is a bunch of guys who like to kill, and who are inept when they INSIST that THEY believe in God more than you.
13 posted on 10/13/2001 6:02:09 PM PDT by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: MadameAxe
But Islamic leaders could do a great deal to strengthen this distinction by now coming forward to condemn bin Laden and his ilk as hell-bound murderers totally beyond the margins of acceptable Islamic faith

They could. But it seems that they won't.
This is something 'nuanced' Westerners are going to have to come to grips with...
If we can't make this distinction real, we will be in for a religious war with Islam (ALL of it), will we or nill we.

14 posted on 10/13/2001 6:02:28 PM PDT by Dan De Quille
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To: LarryLied
That video did a lot to crystallize my opinion against Mr. Bin Laden.

By "off the wall" are you referring to Vin's call to arm airline passengers? Did you know that this isn't actually against FAA regulations? Check out section 108.11 of Code of Federal Regulations: Title 14.

15 posted on 10/13/2001 6:04:25 PM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
You have to wonder why the Muslims never expected anything of Bin Laden with his millions of dollars. He's lived in Saudi and Afghanistan and never built the jobs or used his money for good. Instead he blames the USA and Israel for every problem the Arabs have and they are so gullible they never question why he's so rich.
16 posted on 10/13/2001 6:11:05 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: MadameAxe
That video did a lot to crystallize my opinion against Mr. Bin Laden.

Yes he has all the mannerisms of a lazy low-life con-artist. He's got those people so manipulated and mind-controlled.

17 posted on 10/13/2001 6:14:23 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
He's a demagogue. I guess they believe in him because it's convenient.

They must scoff at us for fools, to fork out all that "humanitarian aid" to them while they turn their resources towards our destruction.

18 posted on 10/13/2001 6:19:45 PM PDT by MadameAxe
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To: MadameAxe
Well, I've worked with Hindus in the Information Technology industry, and this has helped me come to some conclusions are regarding all these issues. Working with different ethnic groups is very illuminating. I've learned a lot. Having said that, I have to ask the same question the Hindus do: Where is the fatwa against Mr. bin Laden and his supporters? We see constantly that fatwas are issued against America, Israel, and one group of Moslems against another. Left, right and center they're thrown out. We don't see one against Mr. bin Laden. Some of these moderate guys have the backbones of microbes. I have to say, in their defense, that they've got families, and Mr. bin Laden has shown he'll blow anybody up.

We don't even see a fatwa issued in countries where you'd think the threat of terrorism against moderates would be nil. Kinda disgusting, if you ask me. I've been asked my one Moslem buddy why no fatwa? He was honest, and said that many Moslems are fence sitting on this one. The religious leaders won't issue a fatwa for fear of being shunned, killed, or worse, being thrown out of Islam.

When I was getting my MBA, I dated a Egyptian Moslem, and she told me that for it to go further, I had to convert to Islam. I tried to tell her that well, couldn't we just coexist, since I'm not religious? Nope. Doesn't work that way. Religiously mixed marriages are "verboten." And I would have to convert before we continued, whether or not it got serious. Funny, she didn't have problems drinking alcohol or other things. :-)

Sadly, I've come to the conclusion that my Hindu friends have been pushing on me for 5 years. And that is that Moslems more or less regard us all as infidels. Doesn't look like coexistence is high on their priority list. I would say that only a small percentage of Moslems are fanatical like Mr. bin Laden, but I gotta tell ya, it sure looks like they all tend to be somewhat clannish, like the Hatfields and McCoys.

Another thing pointed out to me. In any country around the world that has a significant Moslem minority (outside of Turkey and Bosnia, which are more westernized than the rest of the Moslem world) you soon see calls for the imposition of Moslem sharia law. Regardless of the feelings of the majority. This has been a source of the contention in Nigeria, and was a reason for the coup in the Sudan. And in the areas in Nigeria where Moslems are the majority, they impose this law anyway, despite what the central government says. In the Sudan the Moslem clerics have given permission for selling Christians into slavery, since after all, they're infidels.

In fairness, Christianity doesn't have a clean record here. But in fairness to those of us who come from Christian backgrounds, it's not 1455, which I believe is the current year on the Moslem calender.

I think we need to give 'em time to adjust to modern times. Moslems are only 20% of the world's religious population. "Other" is the rest. Islam expanded for hundreds of years, with no real impediment until the last several hundred years. Obviously, some groupings within the religion are having a tough time coming to terms with this. That was the main reason British India split into Pakistan and India back in the 40's. Moslems didn't want to live under a Hindu majority state.

It looks like, as the British used to say of the Germans, they're either at your throat or under your boot. Harsh to say that of Moslems, but sadly, I'm coming to think that it's somewhat true, the more reading and research I do.

BTW, Johnson's book is really good. Particularly the part about electricity and how people viewed it when electricity was a new thing. Puts the book Frankenstein in a whole new light. I think I already posted something about this, but ain't shore, as we say here in Virginia....

19 posted on 10/13/2001 6:20:38 PM PDT by TKEman
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To: MadameAxe
BTTT
20 posted on 10/13/2001 6:22:32 PM PDT by timestax
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