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The USA in Distress (Dead babies do not affect our 401k)
Covenant News ^ | 10/12/01 | Adrian Horien

Posted on 10/12/2001 6:54:38 AM PDT by truthandlife

If you see a US flag upside down, it is a sign of distress. During this time of national mourning and with many calling for us to petition God for His blessing, why don’t we get really honest and begin to recognize that our country is in distress and not mourning. It is not God’s blessing that we need, it is His mercy. There is only one problem though; His mercy is not available to the proud or the impenitent.

Consider with me for a moment; on September 11, approximately 6,000 people were killed during this tragedy. What makes it a tragedy is that they were killed without due process that found them guilty of a crime ­ they were innocent. Let’s consider something else of a very weighty measure; every day, on average, some 4,400 babies are killed without due process that would find them guilty of a crime ­ they are innocent. If you do the math, that is equivalent to more than 15,000 September 11ths.

I ask you, why do we not mourn for that tragedy? Why do we not give of our money and time to rescue them from the rubble that entraps and entombs them? Why do we not cry out for the babies like we cry out for the victims in NYC, DC and Pennsylvania? Why do we not cry out against the lawmakers who allow this tragedy to go on like we cry out against the Taliban? Why are we protective of the abortionists while freely expressing our outrage and crafting law against the likes of Osama Bin Laden?

The answer is really very simple; we do not care unless it closely affects us. The dead babies do not affect our 401k like the merciless radicals of Osama Bin Laden. In reality, as a whole, we are selfish. It’s time that we recognize that fact and repent, perhaps then God will hear us and give us protected shores again. Without it, we can be assured there will be many more such insurgences. How do I know? I read the Bible (try reading Isaiah 10, Ezekiel 9 and Ezekiel 22 among others).


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1 posted on 10/12/2001 6:54:38 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
You already know the answer to these "whys", t&l....
2 posted on 10/12/2001 7:02:08 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: truthandlife
How do I know?

You don't know, and claiming you do is the height of arrogance.

3 posted on 10/12/2001 7:07:38 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: truthandlife
While we cannot, we dare not lessen or overlook the utter evil that visited our land on September 11th, 2001. An evil that must be confronted and defeated.

... and while we cannot ignore or push aside the insideous way that certain lawmakers (far too many of them) take advantage of such situations to push an ever increasing agenda of control and globalism on us.

... yet the evil that we have allowed amongst us in the form of the wanton, on-demand kkilling of the unborn is a greater evil. It strikes at the very heart and core of what we are and what we represent as a people. Until we face that evil, and defeat it ... these other evils are apt to continue unabated, and will probably increase.

A cowboy friend of mine, who has cowboyed in Montana and Idaho most of his life, and who is now around fifty years old, and someone who is not often very wordy ... once this gem of a man spent more words on this topic than I had heard him speak in a long time on any single topic when he said ...

"Jeff, if you want to know the state of our nation, if you want to understand how much trouble we are in ... just look at abortion. The fact that five hundred and more good men in every community where there is an abortion clinic haven't torn it down brick by brick, informing the workers that such an abomination won't be allowed in their community ... the fact that this hasn;t happened tells you all you need to know about the state of our socieety ... and is why I stay out here in the hills and on the range."

There is a God in Heaven and He DOES watch over the affairs of men. Just like Patrick Henry said. And He WILL raise up freinds to help us in our fights if we turn to Him and are worthy. Unfortunately, the converse of that statement by Patrick Henry is also true.

II Chronicles 7:14

Regards.

4 posted on 10/12/2001 7:12:03 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: sinkspur
Actully, IMHO, to claim you know something as a result of God's scriptures is not arrogance at all ... it is humility, because you are admitting that it is God who gave the knowledge, not yourself.

Now, others may not agree ... and that is fine. All have to come to such knowledge on their own and the ways they are led to find it may well differ in form and substance. But it is never arrogant to claim that God's word has given you inspiration ... as long as what you are inspired to do is intrinsically good and in keeping with the Word. In this case, asking people to repent and try and stop abortion, at least from my perspective, fits that definition.

5 posted on 10/12/2001 7:19:44 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: truthandlife
If we would stop being complacent and start recruiting and electing pro-life legislators, abortion would not be a problem in the United States. Have you volunteered to support a pro-life legislator for the 2002 elections?
6 posted on 10/12/2001 7:21:00 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever
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RIGHT ON TARGET.......... When the WHOLE country turns to God, the abortion doctors will not have any customers. And they will not want to do their evil work anymore. But, our current attacks are just and righteous, but we cannot say "God is with us, the U.S.A.". Saying "God is with the U.S.A." in light our our national SIN would be more insane than those who flew the planes on 9-11. ....... There is a great deal of personal introspection needed in our country. Historically God has raised up countries (Assyria, Babylon) to PUNISH his wayward children (Israel). We, the USA founded as a Christian Country should either follow our roots or remove all references to God and Jesus Christ from our national emblems and currency. But alas,..... I know the sentiments of many here and they will not agree with the issue of national sin, because they do not agree on the issue of their personal sin. May God have mercy..........(Flame away)
7 posted on 10/12/2001 7:25:52 AM PDT by Delta-Boudreaux
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To: truthandlife
BTTT. Crying 'death to the Thugs' and not doing all we can to defeat the 'BABY KILLERS' Is totally anethama to G-D.
8 posted on 10/12/2001 7:28:52 AM PDT by coffmg
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To: Jeff Head
Actully, IMHO, to claim you know something as a result of God's scriptures is not arrogance at all ... it is humility, because you are admitting that it is God who gave the knowledge, not yourself.

Jeff, it would actually be more humble if t&l admitted that these were his private musings. How is one supposed to disagree with someone who says "Well, GOD revealed this to me"?

Sorry. Waving your private revelations around like a flag is a sure sign that they AREN'T from God, IMO.

9 posted on 10/12/2001 7:29:11 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: anniegetyourgun
As a conservative, I'm sick and tired of being told that, because I have a 401K plan that:

A 401K is just a tax free savings vehicle that would never even exist without the thinking of conservative politicians. Turning a 401K savings plan into a symbol of apathy on the part of those lucky enough to be so blessed is intellectually dishonest at best, and liberal democrat style class-warfare speak at worst. I seriously doubt that any of the self righteous zealots condemning 401K recipients would, themselves, work an 80 hour week for their employer, then turn down the offer of a 25% or 50% employer contribution to your tax free savings plan - a private sector savings plan, BTW, which is intended as primary retirement income. No doubt the 401K detracors also find fault - for good reason - with Social Security.

Pray tell, if the most successful private sector retirement plan doesn't meet with your approval, and the government Ponzi scheme must be outlawed, what is your plan for retirement? Passbook savings? A coffee can buried in the back yard? Sponging off of the kids?

Lose the tired old "401K" schtick. It makes you sound like bitter and jealous democrats, and you lose more people than you'll ever win with such divisive argument technique.

< /rant >

10 posted on 10/12/2001 7:36:35 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Delta-Boudreaux
God in His mercy allowed us to see what only one DAY'S worth of "business as usual" in the abortion industry looks like to Him.

He could have allowed us to see a WEEK'S worth of "business as usual." Or a month's worth. Or the 40 million slaughtered Americans who have been sacrificed since 1973.

11 posted on 10/12/2001 7:38:28 AM PDT by TomSmedley
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To: sinkspur
First of all, I do not believe these are t&l's statements, I believe they are a part of the article authored by someone else.

Second, I do not necessarily agree that talking to people openly about one's beliefs and "testimony of the spirit" is necessarily a sign that they are not from God. We are, afterall, admonished in scripture by Christ himself to "go into all the world" and proclaim His gospel.

One has to judge for themselves depending on the circumstance, the attitude and whether it is to "be seen of men" or to fulfill God's purpose.

In this article, because of my own beliefs regarding abortion and its tremendous negative impact on the overall moral vitality of the nation, I did not feel that the author was being insincere or trying to tout themselves ... others may disagree.

Like I said, that is fine, it's what we free humans do. Each has to decide for themselves. I personally believe the message is one we should all consider.

12 posted on 10/12/2001 7:51:56 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: TomSmedley
You nailed it, Tom.
13 posted on 10/12/2001 7:52:41 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Harrison Bergeron
I presume you meant this for the poster of this thread?
14 posted on 10/12/2001 7:54:12 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Harrison Bergeron
Me thinks, you took it a bit too literal.
15 posted on 10/12/2001 7:56:03 AM PDT by Homer Simpson
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To: sinkspur
I am sorry that you think this is my private revelation but I did not write this piece (even though it is how I have felt for a long time). I am sorry that your heart is not stirred by the many innocent babies that have not had a voice to express that they want to live. They have been killed for convenience and selfishness in our culture. How can we as a nation say "God bless America" when he has blessed this nation more than any other nation in history and every day we as a nation kill 4,000 innocent babies? I am sorry but you are living in a fantasy world if you believe he will continue to bless us without a nation who truly repents from their sins. 1 Chronicles 7:14
16 posted on 10/12/2001 7:57:55 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: anniegetyourgun
oops, sorry.
17 posted on 10/12/2001 8:05:05 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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To: truthandlife
What is man that God considers him...
18 posted on 10/12/2001 8:13:27 AM PDT by Goblins
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To: Homer Simpson
"Me thinks, you took it a bit too literal."

No. If I had a nickel for every time some FReeper wrote "I guess the sheeple care more about their 401K plans than such and such..." I wouldn't need my 401K. Words have meaning. Isolating a particular group of people for a particular type of legitimately and ethically earned wealth, and assigning evil to those people, comes under the classification of hate, with the particular distinction of being anti-capitalist hate.

19 posted on 10/12/2001 8:14:03 AM PDT by Harrison Bergeron
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